3-4 101: The Basics

halloween 65 · 07-30-2013, 10:23 PM

I still would like to see someone with size and weight in the middle, the front 3 will have to play lights out for smaller ILB to do well.

Danno · 07-30-2013, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

I still would like to see someone with size and weight in the middle, the front 3 will have to play lights out for smaller ILB to do well.

True, this article was 3 years old and they were projecting draft picks that best fit the 3-4 roles.

Guess who they identified as the ideal SILB for this type of defense?

Hint: He just dislocated his elbow.

halloween 65 · 07-30-2013, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

True, this article was 3 years old and they were projecting draft picks that best fit the 3-4 roles.

Guess who they identified as the ideal SILB for this type of defense?

Hint: He just dislocated his elbow.

He does have the tools.

QBREES9 · 07-30-2013, 11:10 PM

Same here Danno.

blackangold · 07-30-2013, 11:17 PM

From the limited footage i have seen of camp our OLBs need to do a better job of setting the edge on running plays.

jeanpierre · 07-31-2013, 06:42 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

In fact, a coach influenced by both flavors of the 3-4 might be tempted to meld both concepts with traditional 4-3 ideas and create a monster playbook with more than 50 fronts. And pull it off with amazing success.

...or make a complete disaster of this opportunity with too many plays...

...Ryan needs to keep it simple and throw in a few (less than five) wrinkles per week to keep the opposition honest...

...these guys get huge contracts because they're big, fast not because they can compute mathematical calculations of an artificial satellite orbit...

Ryan needs to realize that he's as smart as the guy that slept in a Holiday Inn Express...

SloMotion · 07-31-2013, 08:13 AM

Great thread!

Originally Posted by halloween 65

I still would like to see someone with size and weight in the middle, the front 3 will have to play lights out for smaller ILB to do well.

I can really only think of three guys at NT ... Wilfork (NE), Hampton (PIT) and Shaun Rogers (DET/CLE/NO/NYG/Gone) ... and how they exemplify the 'big-man-clogging-up-the-middle' philosophy of the 3-4.

We've all seen Rogers and what a bust he could be at tackle, but he did have some success at NT with Cleveland. Hampton and Wilfork are beasts, but of the three, Wilfork is the only one that really stays healthy, but therein lies the rub.

These guys are big, but are they "in-shape" big or "outta'-shape" big? They take lots of abuse as well, not only from opposing lineman, but just from moving those 300lb+ frames around.

You need to find a guy that can carry the weight and not have to come to the sidelines every third play for oxygen. Or maybe a couple guys to share the load.

RaginCajun83 · 07-31-2013, 10:11 AM

during practice yesterday, pre-snap Jordan was only lineman with hand on the ground lined up between center and guard, then right before the snap Will Smith shifts down to DE so they still had 3 LBs out there plus 6 DBs (4 Ss). I like it but Rob might be tipping his hand just a little

neugey · 07-31-2013, 11:35 AM

The Dome Patrol was 2-gap, right?

Danno · 07-31-2013, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

The Dome Patrol was 2-gap, right?

Yep

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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: 3-4 101: The Basics I still would like to see someone with size and weight in the middle, the front 3 will have to play lights out for smaller ILB to do well.

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: 3-4 101: The Basics Originally Posted by halloween 65 I still would like to see someone with size and weight in the middle, the front 3 will have to play lights out for smaller ILB to do well. True, this article was 3 years old and they were projecting draft picks that best fit the 3-4 roles. Guess who they identified as the ideal SILB for this type of defense? Hint: He just dislocated his elbow.

07-30-2013, 10:29 PM	#13
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: 3-4 101: The Basics Originally Posted by Danno True, this article was 3 years old and they were projecting draft picks that best fit the 3-4 roles. Guess who they identified as the ideal SILB for this type of defense? Hint: He just dislocated his elbow. He does have the tools.

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QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,985	Re: 3-4 101: The Basics Same here Danno.

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blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: 3-4 101: The Basics From the limited footage i have seen of camp our OLBs need to do a better job of setting the edge on running plays. jeanpierre likes this.

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SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: 3-4 101: The Basics Great thread! Originally Posted by halloween 65 I still would like to see someone with size and weight in the middle, the front 3 will have to play lights out for smaller ILB to do well. I can really only think of three guys at NT ... Wilfork (NE), Hampton (PIT) and Shaun Rogers (DET/CLE/NO/NYG/Gone) ... and how they exemplify the 'big-man-clogging-up-the-middle' philosophy of the 3-4. We've all seen Rogers and what a bust he could be at tackle, but he did have some success at NT with Cleveland. Hampton and Wilfork are beasts, but of the three, Wilfork is the only one that really stays healthy, but therein lies the rub. These guys are big, but are they "in-shape" big or "outta'-shape" big? They take lots of abuse as well, not only from opposing lineman, but just from moving those 300lb+ frames around. You need to find a guy that can carry the weight and not have to come to the sidelines every third play for oxygen. Or maybe a couple guys to share the load.

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RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: 3-4 101: The Basics during practice yesterday, pre-snap Jordan was only lineman with hand on the ground lined up between center and guard, then right before the snap Will Smith shifts down to DE so they still had 3 LBs out there plus 6 DBs (4 Ss). I like it but Rob might be tipping his hand just a little

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neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,697 Blog Entries: 13	Re: 3-4 101: The Basics The Dome Patrol was 2-gap, right?

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: 3-4 101: The Basics Originally Posted by neugey The Dome Patrol was 2-gap, right? Yep

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