New Orleans Saints experimenting with safeties Malcolm Jenkins, Kenny Vaccaro at nickel cornerback

08-02-2013, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

It would be a player who is listed as "active" on an NFL roster with the letters "CB" next to that player's name in the position column and receives a paycheck that allows the team to list him at a position because they wrote said paycheck...

Thank you. Not sure how someone argues whether a person is a "what" or not, them when asked to define "what", says the definition is moot.

Example : I am a natural assh0le. By skill, size, speed, and I did it in college; and as you pointed out... My wife says I am.

K Major · 08-02-2013, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

experimenting -
1. Preform a procedure to determine something.
2. Try new concepts or ways of doing things.

Its preseason, this is the time to experiment.

Boy I sure hope so. Vacarro played a little corner at UT but didn't like all of what I saw. He was ok covering in the slot but I think he will be more effectively suited at safety (used a lot in man/man at the safety spot). On the other hand, UT didn't have a clue on D at times..

papz · 08-02-2013, 06:48 PM

You sure about that? He shut down some prominent guys in the slot last year. It's all over his scouting reports. We talked about that on here... I forgot who is was.

K Major · 08-02-2013, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by papz

You sure about that? He shut down some prominent guys in the slot last year. It's all over his scouting reports. We talked about that on here... I forgot who is was.

If you look at the KSU tape, it was probably one of Kenny's worst (missed coverage assignments/poor angles) performances of the 2012 season along with the OSU game in Stillwater. Those two opponents stand out in my mind from last year. And yes you are right, he did play well against WVU Tavon Austin.

papz · 08-02-2013, 07:10 PM

You know how you know the answer but just can't get it off the tip of your tongue? Now I can stop going through all my post.

It's college... they all have bad games. But for the most part, it's suppose to be one of his strengths... the ability to cover whoever, whether big or small, in the slot. You are right though... I remember watching some highlights of Vaccaro for that game and he took a lot of bad angles chasing down some guys for tackles. I don't recall whether it was from the slot or at S though.

jeanpierre · 08-02-2013, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Ok. I believe you guys, but I recall seeing film on him lining up as a safety. And also I have a memory of Mayock talking to Loomis after the draft and asking if they were going to use him as a safety, and Loomis said they were not sure but that they were probably going to use him as a cb, which was a conversion they had had some success with Jenkins earlier on.

But I'm probably remembering it wrong...

Fin, got your back on this one...

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You are correct that several scouts and scouting agencies had projected White as a Safety...

I had hoped White would be assigned to Strong Safety to replace Harper as I'm in the camp that agrees to disagree about Harper and how he's a liability to the secondary...

Anyways, I still believe the Saints have to find a way for him to get on the field without injury to another player as he needs reps/live fire to get even better...

If Harper's at the end of his contract and Jenkins' extension is not cap friendly with the pending Graham deal, I could see the Saints think tank projecting a Safety tandem of FS Vacarro and SS White next season and beyond...

ChrisXVI · 08-02-2013, 09:33 PM

Nah, I have a feeling that Corey White will be forming a CB tandem with Keenan Lewis in the future. Kenny Vacarro is a more natual strong safety so either Rafael Bush or Isa Abdul-Quddus is the future at free safety... Or we bring one in via the draft or free agency.

hagan714 · 08-02-2013, 09:59 PM

with the nfl love affair with double TE sets were both tE can catch you need the flexibility out there.

I do not care what position they are listed at all i want is the best pass defenders on the field on second or third and long. all matched up correctly.

at times S lined up in the slot works and other times 5 cb work best.

now this is the aspect of Rob's coaching coaching that leaves me really wanting. so far it has not been his strong suit

homerj07 · 08-02-2013, 11:37 PM

I just hope it isn't too much for the players while also learning a new defense.

Rugby Saint II · 08-04-2013, 05:12 PM

Jenkins is still here? Oh well, there is still hope. We still have to cut close to half the players in camp. NO, I am not a fan of his bad angles and bad tackling.

08-02-2013, 06:35 PM	#21
Threaded by TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by jeanpierre It would be a player who is listed as "active" on an NFL roster with the letters "CB" next to that player's name in the position column and receives a paycheck that allows the team to list him at a position because they wrote said paycheck... Thank you. Not sure how someone argues whether a person is a "what" or not, them when asked to define "what", says the definition is moot. Example : I am a natural assh0le. By skill, size, speed, and I did it in college; and as you pointed out... My wife says I am.
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08-02-2013, 06:42 PM	#22
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: New Orleans Saints experimenting with safeties Malcolm Jenkins, Kenny Vaccaro at nickel cornerback Originally Posted by TheOak experimenting - 1. Preform a procedure to determine something. 2. Try new concepts or ways of doing things. Its preseason, this is the time to experiment. Boy I sure hope so. Vacarro played a little corner at UT but didn't like all of what I saw. He was ok covering in the slot but I think he will be more effectively suited at safety (used a lot in man/man at the safety spot). On the other hand, UT didn't have a clue on D at times..

08-02-2013, 06:48 PM	#23
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,753	Re: New Orleans Saints experimenting with safeties Malcolm Jenkins, Kenny Vaccaro at nickel cornerback You sure about that? He shut down some prominent guys in the slot last year. It's all over his scouting reports. We talked about that on here... I forgot who is was.

08-02-2013, 06:55 PM	#24
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: New Orleans Saints experimenting with safeties Malcolm Jenkins, Kenny Vaccaro at nickel cornerback Originally Posted by papz You sure about that? He shut down some prominent guys in the slot last year. It's all over his scouting reports. We talked about that on here... I forgot who is was. If you look at the KSU tape, it was probably one of Kenny's worst (missed coverage assignments/poor angles) performances of the 2012 season along with the OSU game in Stillwater. Those two opponents stand out in my mind from last year. And yes you are right, he did play well against WVU Tavon Austin.

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papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,753	Re: New Orleans Saints experimenting with safeties Malcolm Jenkins, Kenny Vaccaro at nickel cornerback You know how you know the answer but just can't get it off the tip of your tongue? Now I can stop going through all my post. It's college... they all have bad games. But for the most part, it's suppose to be one of his strengths... the ability to cover whoever, whether big or small, in the slot. You are right though... I remember watching some highlights of Vaccaro for that game and he took a lot of bad angles chasing down some guys for tackles. I don't recall whether it was from the slot or at S though. K Major likes this.
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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: New Orleans Saints experimenting with safeties Malcolm Jenkins, Kenny Vaccaro at nickel cornerback Originally Posted by FinSaint Ok. I believe you guys, but I recall seeing film on him lining up as a safety. And also I have a memory of Mayock talking to Loomis after the draft and asking if they were going to use him as a safety, and Loomis said they were not sure but that they were probably going to use him as a cb, which was a conversion they had had some success with Jenkins earlier on. But I'm probably remembering it wrong... Fin, got your back on this one... Corey White\|Samford,SS:*2012 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile ProFootballWeekly.com - Draft Prospect - Corey White Corey White Scouting Report (Samford S) - Draft Insider Corey White, SS, Samford, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com You are correct that several scouts and scouting agencies had projected White as a Safety... I had hoped White would be assigned to Strong Safety to replace Harper as I'm in the camp that agrees to disagree about Harper and how he's a liability to the secondary... Anyways, I still believe the Saints have to find a way for him to get on the field without injury to another player as he needs reps/live fire to get even better... If Harper's at the end of his contract and Jenkins' extension is not cap friendly with the pending Graham deal, I could see the Saints think tank projecting a Safety tandem of FS Vacarro and SS White next season and beyond... hagan714 and FinSaint like this.
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08-02-2013, 09:33 PM	#27
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: New Orleans Saints experimenting with safeties Malcolm Jenkins, Kenny Vaccaro at nickel cornerback Nah, I have a feeling that Corey White will be forming a CB tandem with Keenan Lewis in the future. Kenny Vacarro is a more natual strong safety so either Rafael Bush or Isa Abdul-Quddus is the future at free safety... Or we bring one in via the draft or free agency.

08-02-2013, 09:59 PM	#28
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: New Orleans Saints experimenting with safeties Malcolm Jenkins, Kenny Vaccaro at nickel cornerback with the nfl love affair with double TE sets were both tE can catch you need the flexibility out there. I do not care what position they are listed at all i want is the best pass defenders on the field on second or third and long. all matched up correctly. at times S lined up in the slot works and other times 5 cb work best. now this is the aspect of Rob's coaching coaching that leaves me really wanting. so far it has not been his strong suit

08-02-2013, 11:37 PM	#29
homerj07 In Doh We Trust Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 7,027 Blog Entries: 16	Re: New Orleans Saints experimenting with safeties Malcolm Jenkins, Kenny Vaccaro at nickel cornerback I just hope it isn't too much for the players while also learning a new defense.

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