Swearinger says rules made him hit Keller low

rezburna · 08-19-2013, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Do you think he would have hit the same area in an inter squad scrimmage? You honestly think he would have hit Johnson in the knees?

That's what I thought. First you say it wasn't intentional, then it's a legal hit... Your all over the board trying to defend a career ending hit that could have been avoided while still stoping the receiver for 0 YAC.

So it has to be one or the other? It can't be both legal and done unintentionally? Have you considered that when asked about specific points I give answers specific to what was just asked?

And most teams don't allow you to hit low in an inter squad scrimmage. They tell you to stay up. And I'm pretty sure you don't have to worry about a fine for a big hit after a scrimmage game. So he probably would've went for the REAL kill shot. Which is the upper body.

So you're telling me you think Swearinger hit him with the intentions to try and end the mans career? Because I just saw a guy catch a punt, get blasted in the abdomen AFTER he caught the ball, and the defender get flagged; and my dad's a referee, so I immediately went crazy and he said that's just the rules now. And my first response was, so what, you want him to go low and blow the dudes knee out? And my dad said yeah, that's basically what's going to happen. So the fact that Swearinger decided to go low instead of high doesn't surprise me at all; and there's nothing wrong with it in the 1st place. If it's been such a problem and so dirty and such an epidemic where' the rule against it?

So we can sit up here and pretend like we haven't seen legal hit after legal hit get flagged and then the player later fined for the same hit if you want. But I guarantee you the players aren't pretending. And this will be the aftermath.

TheOak · 08-19-2013, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

And most teams don't allow you to hit low in an inter squad scrimmage. They tell you to stay up.

And why would that be?

Trying to rationalize a hit that you your self asked your father about is not easy and your wasting your time on me. I don't simply flex because you change our frame or argument.... You know me better than that.

Hitting the body is not a kill shot, the knees are the weakest link on that frame.... And defensive backs know that. I'm saying that he knew exactly what the end result would be when he launched for those knees, if he didn't, he is an idiot.

rezburna · 08-19-2013, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

And why would that be?

Trying to rationalize a hit that you your self asked your father about is not easy and your wasting your time on me. I don't simply flex because you change our frame or argument.... You know me better than that.

Hitting the body is not a kill shot, the knees are the weakest link on that frame.... And defensive backs know that. I'm saying that he knew exactly what the end result would be when he launched for those knees, if he didn't, he is an idiot.

Clean hit. Legal hit. No fine on the hit. I'll teach my son to hit like that. I hit like that. If he's scared to get hit like that he doesn't need to play. And the day they make it a rule you can only hit from the waist to the chest is when I'll change up. Good hit Swearinger. I wish you were a Saint. You made the tackle and dislodged the ball.

ChrisXVI · 08-19-2013, 07:57 PM

Don't mean to get in the middle of the debate here... But haven't our DB's been diving at ball carrier's legs for years now?! Only difference is our guys are missing. I've never seen any outrage here about how our guys must be trying to blow out people's knees.

TheOak · 08-19-2013, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Don't mean to get in the middle of the debate here... But haven't our DB's been diving at ball carrier's legs for years now?! Only difference is our guys are missing. I've never seen any outrage here about how our guys must be trying to blow out people's knees.

Perhaps you should try reading the threads... There are more than plenty of threads and comments about the lack of tackling, throwing them selves at WR legs. trying to spear... We have had a neck injury because of it the last two seasons running.

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ChrisXVI · 08-20-2013, 06:20 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Perhaps you should try reading the threads... There are more than plenty of threads and comments about the lack of tackling, throwing them selves at WR legs. trying to spear... We have had a neck injury because of it the last two seasons running.

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Thanks for the advice, but I have read the threads and the comments about throwing themselves at WR legs is merely frustration about missing the tackle. No-one has ever once said we're being dirty and trying to take out knees.

Budsdrinker · 08-20-2013, 09:06 AM

The hit was unfortunate because it injured Keller but I don't have a problem with it. Looks to me like the DB lost his footing on the temporary grass field of Reliant and was falling down into him. He didn't launch his helmet into his knee he just hit him in that spot that you are most vulnerable.

xan · 08-20-2013, 10:14 AM

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WillSaints81 · 08-20-2013, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

He makes a point you would expect a child to make....

"You told me to be quiet... so I let the house burn down".

Swearinger shouldn't be on a football field if trying to miss the head can only result in a knee for him.

There is a distance of around 4 feet between the head and the knee.... You don't have enough control to hit the middle?

Go to YouTube and search Swearinger hit.... He won't last long in the NFL.

We don't have to worry about him for a couple of seasons. But Davis, Cook, Boldin, Decker, Thomas, Gates, Brown, Floyd, Denarius, Bowe, TSmith, Clark, Gronk(if healthy), Wayne, Hilton, Heyward Bey, Britt(and his knees I feel bad for him lol) do this year and next year Maclin, Desean, Cruz, Nicks, Garcon, Davis(the other one), Wheaton, Brown(Antonio), Green, Gresham, Cameron, Gordon in addition to most that play him this year.

TheOak · 08-20-2013, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

We don't have to worry about him for a couple of seasons. But Davis, Cook, Boldin, Decker, Thomas, Gates, Brown, Floyd, Denarius, Bowe, TSmith, Clark, Gronk(if healthy), Wayne, Hilton, Heyward Bey, Britt(and his knees I feel bad for him lol) do this year and next year Maclin, Desean, Cruz, Nicks, Garcon, Davis(the other one), Wheaton, Brown(Antonio), Green, Gresham, Cameron, Gordon in addition to most that play him this year.

We have to worry about him Sunday hoss.

08-19-2013, 07:00 PM	#51
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,903	Re: Swearinger says rules made him hit Keller low Originally Posted by TheOak Do you think he would have hit the same area in an inter squad scrimmage? You honestly think he would have hit Johnson in the knees? That's what I thought. First you say it wasn't intentional, then it's a legal hit... Your all over the board trying to defend a career ending hit that could have been avoided while still stoping the receiver for 0 YAC. So it has to be one or the other? It can't be both legal and done unintentionally? Have you considered that when asked about specific points I give answers specific to what was just asked? And most teams don't allow you to hit low in an inter squad scrimmage. They tell you to stay up. And I'm pretty sure you don't have to worry about a fine for a big hit after a scrimmage game. So he probably would've went for the REAL kill shot. Which is the upper body. So you're telling me you think Swearinger hit him with the intentions to try and end the mans career? Because I just saw a guy catch a punt, get blasted in the abdomen AFTER he caught the ball, and the defender get flagged; and my dad's a referee, so I immediately went crazy and he said that's just the rules now. And my first response was, so what, you want him to go low and blow the dudes knee out? And my dad said yeah, that's basically what's going to happen. So the fact that Swearinger decided to go low instead of high doesn't surprise me at all; and there's nothing wrong with it in the 1st place. If it's been such a problem and so dirty and such an epidemic where' the rule against it? So we can sit up here and pretend like we haven't seen legal hit after legal hit get flagged and then the player later fined for the same hit if you want. But I guarantee you the players aren't pretending. And this will be the aftermath.
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08-19-2013, 07:09 PM	#52
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Swearinger says rules made him hit Keller low Originally Posted by rezburna And most teams don't allow you to hit low in an inter squad scrimmage. They tell you to stay up. And why would that be? Trying to rationalize a hit that you your self asked your father about is not easy and your wasting your time on me. I don't simply flex because you change our frame or argument.... You know me better than that. Hitting the body is not a kill shot, the knees are the weakest link on that frame.... And defensive backs know that. I'm saying that he knew exactly what the end result would be when he launched for those knees, if he didn't, he is an idiot.

08-19-2013, 07:17 PM	#53
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,903	Re: Swearinger says rules made him hit Keller low Originally Posted by TheOak And why would that be? Trying to rationalize a hit that you your self asked your father about is not easy and your wasting your time on me. I don't simply flex because you change our frame or argument.... You know me better than that. Hitting the body is not a kill shot, the knees are the weakest link on that frame.... And defensive backs know that. I'm saying that he knew exactly what the end result would be when he launched for those knees, if he didn't, he is an idiot. Clean hit. Legal hit. No fine on the hit. I'll teach my son to hit like that. I hit like that. If he's scared to get hit like that he doesn't need to play. And the day they make it a rule you can only hit from the waist to the chest is when I'll change up. Good hit Swearinger. I wish you were a Saint. You made the tackle and dislodged the ball.

08-19-2013, 07:57 PM	#54
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Swearinger says rules made him hit Keller low Don't mean to get in the middle of the debate here... But haven't our DB's been diving at ball carrier's legs for years now?! Only difference is our guys are missing. I've never seen any outrage here about how our guys must be trying to blow out people's knees. rezburna likes this.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Swearinger says rules made him hit Keller low Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Don't mean to get in the middle of the debate here... But haven't our DB's been diving at ball carrier's legs for years now?! Only difference is our guys are missing. I've never seen any outrage here about how our guys must be trying to blow out people's knees. Perhaps you should try reading the threads... There are more than plenty of threads and comments about the lack of tackling, throwing them selves at WR legs. trying to spear... We have had a neck injury because of it the last two seasons running. This car as a roof mounted, inverted, oscillating fan. Your agreement is invalid.

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08-20-2013, 06:20 AM	#56
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Swearinger says rules made him hit Keller low Originally Posted by TheOak Perhaps you should try reading the threads... There are more than plenty of threads and comments about the lack of tackling, throwing them selves at WR legs. trying to spear... We have had a neck injury because of it the last two seasons running. Attachment 7710 This car as a roof mounted, inverted, oscillating fan. Your agreement is invalid. Thanks for the advice, but I have read the threads and the comments about throwing themselves at WR legs is merely frustration about missing the tackle. No-one has ever once said we're being dirty and trying to take out knees. rezburna likes this.

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Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Swearinger says rules made him hit Keller low The hit was unfortunate because it injured Keller but I don't have a problem with it. Looks to me like the DB lost his footing on the temporary grass field of Reliant and was falling down into him. He didn't launch his helmet into his knee he just hit him in that spot that you are most vulnerable.

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08-20-2013, 03:39 PM	#59
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Swearinger says rules made him hit Keller low Originally Posted by TheOak He makes a point you would expect a child to make.... "You told me to be quiet... so I let the house burn down". Swearinger shouldn't be on a football field if trying to miss the head can only result in a knee for him. There is a distance of around 4 feet between the head and the knee.... You don't have enough control to hit the middle? Go to YouTube and search Swearinger hit.... He won't last long in the NFL. We don't have to worry about him for a couple of seasons. But Davis, Cook, Boldin, Decker, Thomas, Gates, Brown, Floyd, Denarius, Bowe, TSmith, Clark, Gronk(if healthy), Wayne, Hilton, Heyward Bey, Britt(and his knees I feel bad for him lol) do this year and next year Maclin, Desean, Cruz, Nicks, Garcon, Davis(the other one), Wheaton, Brown(Antonio), Green, Gresham, Cameron, Gordon in addition to most that play him this year.

08-20-2013, 10:00 PM	#60
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Swearinger says rules made him hit Keller low Originally Posted by WillSaints81 We don't have to worry about him for a couple of seasons. But Davis, Cook, Boldin, Decker, Thomas, Gates, Brown, Floyd, Denarius, Bowe, TSmith, Clark, Gronk(if healthy), Wayne, Hilton, Heyward Bey, Britt(and his knees I feel bad for him lol) do this year and next year Maclin, Desean, Cruz, Nicks, Garcon, Davis(the other one), Wheaton, Brown(Antonio), Green, Gresham, Cameron, Gordon in addition to most that play him this year. We have to worry about him Sunday hoss.

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