Status of recent Saints cuts...

saintsfan1976 · 08-21-2013, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

We let Ninkovich geaux and kept Will Smith - what does that say?

We had the worst defense in NFL history - what does that say?

Though, I'm a little more optimistic about the defense with the switch to the 34 and the additions these past two years of Hicks, Jenkins, Lewis, and yes, Vacarro - we still lack talent in the OLB corps which is where the primary counterattack/pressure comes from...

For every Ninko there are three Meachems.

We've had the top-ranked offense in the NFL for 5 years now.

I agree that OLB could be our weakness on D but I'm reserving my thoughts until the actual starters are on the field

TheOak · 08-21-2013, 08:38 AM

Employees are cut for various reasons.

1. Redundant
2. No value above peers
3. Problematic beyond value.
4. Someone just didn't care for that employee.
5.This is an extreme rarity, hardly does a manager ever consider this. Letting an employee go to avoid him getting damaged..... Bad fit.
6. Integration liability.

Since nearly all of our LBs are not without an asterisk by their name I must assume there are no shoe ins and he was low man on the totem pole.

That being said, when cuts come it is not just a myopic we keep the best 8 LBs.... What comes down is what's more important to us a 9th LB or 6th WR? Chase may have not been as valuable as Robinson to the team.

If he was let go I can only assume that it was for a good enough reason and Payton approves... I don't see Payton giving anyone full hire/fire authority after the debacle with Spags last year.

QBREES9 · 08-21-2013, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by homerj07

Ahh. Sarcasm. A lost art.

Yes yes it is.

Budsdrinker · 08-21-2013, 08:53 AM

[QUOTE=jeanpierre;518815]We let Ninkovich geaux and kept Will Smith - what does that say?

Sorry jeanpierre but Ninkovich is not an upgrade over Smith.
Go look at their numbers. Ninkovich has had two decent years in NE because he has one of the best DT in the league in Wilfork who commands double teams. But is numbers aren't overshadowing Smith's.

Crusader · 08-21-2013, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

We let Ninkovich geaux and kept Will Smith - what does that say?

We had the worst defense in NFL history - what does that say?

Though, I'm a little more optimistic about the defense with the switch to the 34 and the additions these past two years of Hicks, Jenkins, Lewis, and yes, Vacarro - we still lack talent in the OLB corps which is where the primary counterattack/pressure comes from...

That at that moment in our system Smith was the better player. Nink didn't develop in our 4-3 but came alive in the Patriots 3-4ish defence.

WillMacKenzie · 08-21-2013, 02:02 PM

Payton can do what he wants. At least he's true to his personality, which is impatient much of the time (i.e. running game).

You can look at it as hard-nosed or strict, or whatever, but sometimes it takes a little time for a player to grasp something. And I'm not talking about the likes of Bush, Ingram, Meachem, or even Roman Harper...you can't develop if you have mashed potatoes between your ears.

I'd honestly vote Tanner over Parker/Roby and Chase Thomas over Will Smith at OLB. Tanner does the work, Parker gets the glory, and Smith is just a little slow for what he needs to do.

But deep in my heart, all I really care about is embarrassing the Falcons and seeing their coach blow a gasket on the sidelines

Papa Voodoo · 08-21-2013, 02:34 PM

Ninkovich's legs or knees kept getting hurt so we let go to Miami right? Smith was playing at a high level back then and wan't getting injured.

Danno · 08-21-2013, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo

Ninkovich's legs or knees kept getting hurt so we let go to Miami right? Smith was playing at a high level back then and wan't getting injured.

Blew his knee out twice with us.
We'd have been fools to carry him for 2 or 3 years on our roster.

jeanpierre · 08-21-2013, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by Cruize

Instant starter on that bad defense. Seriously, the Raiders should raid everyone's practice squad and get all the draft picks every other team tries to hide. Atleast 15 players to try and develop and build with. They currently have the worst roster in the NFL.

You say that, but Dennis Allen is a damn, good coach; and like Payton, he can beat teams with their castoffs with better scheme and using lesser talent/smarter players...

jeanpierre · 08-21-2013, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Blew his knee out twice with us.
We'd have been fools to carry him for 2 or 3 years on our roster.

Greg Romeus?

08-21-2013, 08:29 AM	#21
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Chase Thomas Picked up by Raiders Originally Posted by jeanpierre We let Ninkovich geaux and kept Will Smith - what does that say? We had the worst defense in NFL history - what does that say? Though, I'm a little more optimistic about the defense with the switch to the 34 and the additions these past two years of Hicks, Jenkins, Lewis, and yes, Vacarro - we still lack talent in the OLB corps which is where the primary counterattack/pressure comes from... For every Ninko there are three Meachems. We've had the top-ranked offense in the NFL for 5 years now. I agree that OLB could be our weakness on D but I'm reserving my thoughts until the actual starters are on the field

08-21-2013, 08:38 AM	#22
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Status of recent Saints cuts... Employees are cut for various reasons. 1. Redundant 2. No value above peers 3. Problematic beyond value. 4. Someone just didn't care for that employee. 5.This is an extreme rarity, hardly does a manager ever consider this. Letting an employee go to avoid him getting damaged..... Bad fit. 6. Integration liability. Since nearly all of our LBs are not without an asterisk by their name I must assume there are no shoe ins and he was low man on the totem pole. That being said, when cuts come it is not just a myopic we keep the best 8 LBs.... What comes down is what's more important to us a 9th LB or 6th WR? Chase may have not been as valuable as Robinson to the team. If he was let go I can only assume that it was for a good enough reason and Payton approves... I don't see Payton giving anyone full hire/fire authority after the debacle with Spags last year. saintsfan1976 likes this.
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08-21-2013, 08:44 AM	#23
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,985	Re: Status of recent Saints cuts... Originally Posted by homerj07 Ahh. Sarcasm. A lost art. Yes yes it is.

08-21-2013, 08:53 AM	#24
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Chase Thomas Picked up by Raiders [QUOTE=jeanpierre;518815]We let Ninkovich geaux and kept Will Smith - what does that say? Sorry jeanpierre but Ninkovich is not an upgrade over Smith. Go look at their numbers. Ninkovich has had two decent years in NE because he has one of the best DT in the league in Wilfork who commands double teams. But is numbers aren't overshadowing Smith's.

08-21-2013, 12:56 PM	#25
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,025	Re: Chase Thomas Picked up by Raiders Originally Posted by jeanpierre We let Ninkovich geaux and kept Will Smith - what does that say? We had the worst defense in NFL history - what does that say? Though, I'm a little more optimistic about the defense with the switch to the 34 and the additions these past two years of Hicks, Jenkins, Lewis, and yes, Vacarro - we still lack talent in the OLB corps which is where the primary counterattack/pressure comes from... That at that moment in our system Smith was the better player. Nink didn't develop in our 4-3 but came alive in the Patriots 3-4ish defence.

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08-21-2013, 02:02 PM	#26
WillMacKenzie 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,627	Re: Status of recent Saints cuts... Payton can do what he wants. At least he's true to his personality, which is impatient much of the time (i.e. running game). You can look at it as hard-nosed or strict, or whatever, but sometimes it takes a little time for a player to grasp something. And I'm not talking about the likes of Bush, Ingram, Meachem, or even Roman Harper...you can't develop if you have mashed potatoes between your ears. I'd honestly vote Tanner over Parker/Roby and Chase Thomas over Will Smith at OLB. Tanner does the work, Parker gets the glory, and Smith is just a little slow for what he needs to do. But deep in my heart, all I really care about is embarrassing the Falcons and seeing their coach blow a gasket on the sidelines

08-21-2013, 02:34 PM	#27
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,633	Re: Status of recent Saints cuts... Ninkovich's legs or knees kept getting hurt so we let go to Miami right? Smith was playing at a high level back then and wan't getting injured.

08-21-2013, 03:37 PM	#28
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Status of recent Saints cuts... Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo Ninkovich's legs or knees kept getting hurt so we let go to Miami right? Smith was playing at a high level back then and wan't getting injured. Blew his knee out twice with us. We'd have been fools to carry him for 2 or 3 years on our roster.

08-21-2013, 06:16 PM	#29
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Chase Thomas Picked up by Raiders Originally Posted by Cruize Instant starter on that bad defense. Seriously, the Raiders should raid everyone's practice squad and get all the draft picks every other team tries to hide. Atleast 15 players to try and develop and build with. They currently have the worst roster in the NFL. You say that, but Dennis Allen is a damn, good coach; and like Payton, he can beat teams with their castoffs with better scheme and using lesser talent/smarter players... K Major likes this.

08-21-2013, 06:17 PM	#30
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Status of recent Saints cuts... Originally Posted by Danno Blew his knee out twice with us. We'd have been fools to carry him for 2 or 3 years on our roster. Greg Romeus?

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