Ingram sets big personal goal for this season

ProMallNinja · 08-22-2013, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by papz

If that's going to be his role, then yea... the YPC is that big of a deal if he does his job. But if we're trying to develop him into a franchise type work horse back, averaging under 4 YPC matters... and is very underwhelming.

I want him to be a 4.4/4.5 guy... but I'd be content him him hovering around the 4.2 mark if he's our long term lead horse option.

Now that his knee is 100% and we look to be intent on getting him more involved, it is highly likely that he puts together a season that looks a lot like what he did over the last 8 games of last season (after his knee got right). He was a 4.2 ypc back from weeks 10 to 17. He also received twice as many carries during that period compared to the first half of the season. Now that he's 100% and had a healthy offseason, it would not surprise me a bit to see him settle in as a 4.4-4.5 ypc back. If he gets 15 carries a game and averages 4.4 ypc then he's a 1000 yard back. He's fully capable as long as he's fully incorporated into the offense and not just goal-to-go and short yardage situations.

papz · 08-22-2013, 02:16 PM

Now that his knee is 100% and we look to be intent on getting him more involved, it is highly likely that he puts together a season that looks a lot like what he did over the last 8 games of last season (after his knee got right). He was a 4.2 ypc back from weeks 10 to 17. He also received twice as many carries during that period compared to the first half of the season. Now that he's 100% and had a healthy offseason, it would not surprise me a bit to see him settle in as a 4.4-4.5 ypc back. If he gets 15 carries a game and averages 4.4 ypc then he's a 1000 yard back. He's fully capable as long as he's fully incorporated into the offense and not just goal-to-go and short yardage situations.

If he rushes for 800 yards and scores close to double digit touchdowns, I'd be a happy camper... and what I would consider a "breakout" season. In our system, being a 1,000 rusher really is an arbitrary number. That's not something I feel we should be overly concerned with. If he gets to that number, good for him... it'll give us more hope for his future prospective.

Supertek · 08-22-2013, 03:27 PM

I would like to see him do well. But if you think he at this point he has justified being a first round pick I disagree with you that is all. If being biased is expecting more than a 4+ YPC average then so be it. I would expect more from a first round pick that is supposed to be the horse while PT outperforms him so say what you will.

Danno · 08-22-2013, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Supertek

I would like to see him do well. But if you think he at this point he has justified being a first round pick I disagree with you that is all.

Thats a different discussion.

ProMallNinja · 08-22-2013, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by Supertek

I would like to see him do well. But if you think he at this point he has justified being a first round pick I disagree with you that is all. If being biased is expecting more than a 4+ YPC average then so be it. I would expect more from a first round pick that is supposed to be the horse while PT outperforms him so say what you will.

There is a thread called "First Round Draft Pick Suckage" that you should check out. It has some info that may help you better understand how you're being unrealistic and irrational. First round draft picks are nothing more than players with a high probably of becoming serviceable starters. The problem is that most fans think "first round picks should just automatically be great". Thankfully, our Saints organization takes a much more realistic approach and brings our draft picks along slowly. Ingram is finally healthy and practicing a lot. He is poised to have a break out season for us, which means a likely 800-1000 yard season and 10 TDs. It's a rare breed (even with 1st round picks) that make immediate major impacts. I'm actually thinking that we may have finally hit on one of those with Vacarro.

Boutte · 08-22-2013, 06:24 PM

Screw the numbers. Watch them play. Believe what you see. If you didn't know anything about our RBs you'd probably be wondering if Ingram would make the team. He flashes from time to time but mostly it's two yards and time to throw or punt.

If he doesn't establish himself as a top notch back this year we should start looking for some one better.

rezburna · 08-22-2013, 06:32 PM

Mark Ingram isn't the focal point of our offense. He really needs to be the focal point to be what some are looking for him to be. I believe in him. It took Ricky Williams a little time too.

AlaskaSaints · 08-23-2013, 03:34 AM

Ingram puts me to sleep... It began when he single-handedly couldn't get ONE YARD to beat the Packers.

Ingram = snooze button.

Danno · 08-23-2013, 07:21 AM

Originally Posted by AlaskaSaints

Ingram puts me to sleep... It began when he single-handedly couldn't get ONE YARD to beat the Packers.

Ingram = snooze button.

Wow. He was met 2 yards in the backfield by THREE Packers!
Go back to sleep

08-22-2013, 02:02 PM	#1
ProMallNinja Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: MS Gulf Coast Posts: 242	Re: Ingram sets big personal goal for this season Originally Posted by papz If that's going to be his role, then yea... the YPC is that big of a deal if he does his job. But if we're trying to develop him into a franchise type work horse back, averaging under 4 YPC matters... and is very underwhelming. I want him to be a 4.4/4.5 guy... but I'd be content him him hovering around the 4.2 mark if he's our long term lead horse option. Now that his knee is 100% and we look to be intent on getting him more involved, it is highly likely that he puts together a season that looks a lot like what he did over the last 8 games of last season (after his knee got right). He was a 4.2 ypc back from weeks 10 to 17. He also received twice as many carries during that period compared to the first half of the season. Now that he's 100% and had a healthy offseason, it would not surprise me a bit to see him settle in as a 4.4-4.5 ypc back. If he gets 15 carries a game and averages 4.4 ypc then he's a 1000 yard back. He's fully capable as long as he's fully incorporated into the offense and not just goal-to-go and short yardage situations.

08-22-2013, 02:16 PM	#2
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,799	Re: Ingram sets big personal goal for this season Now that his knee is 100% and we look to be intent on getting him more involved, it is highly likely that he puts together a season that looks a lot like what he did over the last 8 games of last season (after his knee got right). He was a 4.2 ypc back from weeks 10 to 17. He also received twice as many carries during that period compared to the first half of the season. Now that he's 100% and had a healthy offseason, it would not surprise me a bit to see him settle in as a 4.4-4.5 ypc back. If he gets 15 carries a game and averages 4.4 ypc then he's a 1000 yard back. He's fully capable as long as he's fully incorporated into the offense and not just goal-to-go and short yardage situations. If he rushes for 800 yards and scores close to double digit touchdowns, I'd be a happy camper... and what I would consider a "breakout" season. In our system, being a 1,000 rusher really is an arbitrary number. That's not something I feel we should be overly concerned with. If he gets to that number, good for him... it'll give us more hope for his future prospective.

08-22-2013, 03:27 PM	#3
Supertek 500th Post Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Harvey La. Posts: 611	Re: Ingram sets big personal goal for this season I would like to see him do well. But if you think he at this point he has justified being a first round pick I disagree with you that is all. If being biased is expecting more than a 4+ YPC average then so be it. I would expect more from a first round pick that is supposed to be the horse while PT outperforms him so say what you will.

08-22-2013, 03:42 PM	#4
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Ingram sets big personal goal for this season Originally Posted by Supertek I would like to see him do well. But if you think he at this point he has justified being a first round pick I disagree with you that is all. Thats a different discussion.

08-22-2013, 04:14 PM	#5
ProMallNinja Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: MS Gulf Coast Posts: 242	Re: Ingram sets big personal goal for this season Originally Posted by Supertek I would like to see him do well. But if you think he at this point he has justified being a first round pick I disagree with you that is all. If being biased is expecting more than a 4+ YPC average then so be it. I would expect more from a first round pick that is supposed to be the horse while PT outperforms him so say what you will. There is a thread called "First Round Draft Pick Suckage" that you should check out. It has some info that may help you better understand how you're being unrealistic and irrational. First round draft picks are nothing more than players with a high probably of becoming serviceable starters. The problem is that most fans think "first round picks should just automatically be great". Thankfully, our Saints organization takes a much more realistic approach and brings our draft picks along slowly. Ingram is finally healthy and practicing a lot. He is poised to have a break out season for us, which means a likely 800-1000 yard season and 10 TDs. It's a rare breed (even with 1st round picks) that make immediate major impacts. I'm actually thinking that we may have finally hit on one of those with Vacarro.

08-22-2013, 06:24 PM	#6
Boutte Site Donor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belle Chasse Posts: 1,701	Re: Ingram sets big personal goal for this season Screw the numbers. Watch them play. Believe what you see. If you didn't know anything about our RBs you'd probably be wondering if Ingram would make the team. He flashes from time to time but mostly it's two yards and time to throw or punt. If he doesn't establish himself as a top notch back this year we should start looking for some one better. Supertek likes this.

08-22-2013, 06:32 PM	#7
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,131	Re: Ingram sets big personal goal for this season Mark Ingram isn't the focal point of our offense. He really needs to be the focal point to be what some are looking for him to be. I believe in him. It took Ricky Williams a little time too.

08-23-2013, 03:34 AM	#8
AlaskaSaints 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Anchorage, AK Posts: 2,484 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Ingram sets big personal goal for this season Ingram puts me to sleep... It began when he single-handedly couldn't get ONE YARD to beat the Packers. Ingram = snooze button. Supertek likes this.

08-23-2013, 07:21 AM	#9
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Ingram sets big personal goal for this season Originally Posted by AlaskaSaints Ingram puts me to sleep... It began when he single-handedly couldn't get ONE YARD to beat the Packers. Ingram = snooze button. Wow. He was met 2 yards in the backfield by THREE Packers! Go back to sleep Boutte and K Major like this.

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