Most difficult team task in the NFL

alexonfyre · 08-28-2013, 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

A myopic theory on a very subjective poll. All three are separate tasks in the poll for many reasons but most importantly because all three can not happen in one season.. "Obviously"

There are plenty of teams that are in weak divisions, with weak schedules, and have a lot of luck in a few playoff games... Proving that getting to the Super Bowl is not always a process of clawing your way to the top... With enough luck its quite easy.

Reversing your theory:

"Obviously" winning a second Super Bowl is more difficult than winning the first although when you get to your second Super Bowl you have been there, understand the formula, have a roadmap, and your players are not awe struck.

Then "obviously" winning a Superbowl is more difficult than getting there. However, in no way is 4 Quarters of football more difficult than 72+ quarters of football.

All three tasks have very different required elements, and some teams are suited for some more than others. If you care to test the subjectivity of the options ask the same question to the Detroit Lions and the New England patriots.

My reply is not to debate what you feel the most difficult task of the three is but to shed light on what you "obviously" cant see.

Read this and you will see that sometimes getting there is easier than winning.
RealClearSports - Top 10 Worst Super Bowl Teams - 10. 2002 Oakland Raiders

Luck takes no effort.

Let's rephrase the question, as you are, to say "Getting to Super Bowl" "Having gotten to a super bowl, win it" or "Having won a super bowl, winning again within 3 years"

The probability of winning one game is almost always going to be higher than the probability of winning the number of games necessary to get to that game, so generally, as you said, getting to a super bowl is harder than winning one, even when getting to that super bowl was relatively easy.

However my answer doesn't change

The last task still implicitly contains both getting to and winning a super bowl in a different season, and the combination of those tasks will always be more difficult than either one individually. Further, to say that in some instances the second super bowl run could be easier than the first, and therefore that task is easier to accomplish is a fallacy of converse accident. Even if you only posit that hypothetical to say that it makes the answer "not obvious" then you make the question trivial, because you can then say that about every element, and there is no credible way to defend any of them. Finally, if you want to go the route of facts, then:

28 teams have gotten to a Super Bowl
18 teams have won a Super Bowl
7 teams have repeated within 3 years

There is simply no angle that you can approach this question from and not come to the conclusion that repeating is clearly the hardest challenge.

TheOak · 08-28-2013, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by alexonfyre

Let's rephrase the question, as you are, to say "Getting to Super Bowl" "Having gotten to a super bowl, win it" or "Having won a super bowl, winning again within 3 years"

The probability of winning one game is almost always going to be higher than the probability of winning the number of games necessary to get to that game, so generally, as you said, getting to a super bowl is harder than winning one, even when getting to that super bowl was relatively easy.

However my answer doesn't change

The last task still implicitly contains both getting to and winning a super bowl in a different season, and the combination of those tasks will always be more difficult than either one individually. Further, to say that in some instances the second super bowl run could be easier than the first, and therefore that task is easier to accomplish is a fallacy of converse accident. Even if you only posit that hypothetical to say that it makes the answer "not obvious" then you make the question trivial, because you can then say that about every element, and there is no credible way to defend any of them. Finally, if you want to go the route of facts, then:

28 teams have gotten to a Super Bowl
18 teams have won a Super Bowl
7 teams have repeated within 3 years

There is simply no angle that you can approach this question from and not come to the conclusion that repeating is clearly the hardest challenge.

As I stated, my rebut has little to do with your opinion of which is more difficult and more to do with how obvious the possible answer is not.

Moving on to your theory... Again, your myopic in viewing "team" as a franchise life span as the 2009 Saints and the 1980 Saints teams have little in common but the color scheme and home field. Once you have built your team (roster) and won a Super Bowl getting back is easier than building that team roster that will get you to and win a Superbowl.

What you posted above as statistical information on how many teams have done what, has little to do with what it takes to do that. Some teams do it fairly easily compared to others.

Getting a team together to win the Super Bowl for the New Orleans Saints franchise was a much more arduous task than wining it, and now getting to and winning a second one is still going to be easier than getting to our first one.

My theory is that getting to a Super Bowl is the most difficult task in the NFL, your view differs because you are starting at game 1 of any given season and I am taking into consideration the difficulty that lies in assembling the team and coaches to just get there. It took the Saints 42 years to do it.

Removing the luck aspect and only relying on sweat equity and intellectual property, developing the team to do it is the most difficult task, once you have the team then repeating is not nearly as difficult.

The obvious question here is if the poll was so trivial why take the time out of your day to reply twice?

View Poll Results: The most difficult feat in the NFL
Get to a Super Bowl	8	27.59%
Win a Super Bowl	4	13.79%
Repeat a Super Bowl victory (With in 3 years)	17	58.62%
Voters: 29. You may not vote on this poll

08-28-2013, 07:53 AM	#1
alexonfyre Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Black Pearl University Posts: 799	Re: Most difficult team task in the NFL Originally Posted by TheOak A myopic theory on a very subjective poll. All three are separate tasks in the poll for many reasons but most importantly because all three can not happen in one season.. "Obviously" There are plenty of teams that are in weak divisions, with weak schedules, and have a lot of luck in a few playoff games... Proving that getting to the Super Bowl is not always a process of clawing your way to the top... With enough luck its quite easy. Reversing your theory: "Obviously" winning a second Super Bowl is more difficult than winning the first although when you get to your second Super Bowl you have been there, understand the formula, have a roadmap, and your players are not awe struck. Then "obviously" winning a Superbowl is more difficult than getting there. However, in no way is 4 Quarters of football more difficult than 72+ quarters of football. All three tasks have very different required elements, and some teams are suited for some more than others. If you care to test the subjectivity of the options ask the same question to the Detroit Lions and the New England patriots. My reply is not to debate what you feel the most difficult task of the three is but to shed light on what you "obviously" cant see. Read this and you will see that sometimes getting there is easier than winning. RealClearSports - Top 10 Worst Super Bowl Teams - 10. 2002 Oakland Raiders Luck takes no effort. Let's rephrase the question, as you are, to say "Getting to Super Bowl" "Having gotten to a super bowl, win it" or "Having won a super bowl, winning again within 3 years" The probability of winning one game is almost always going to be higher than the probability of winning the number of games necessary to get to that game, so generally, as you said, getting to a super bowl is harder than winning one, even when getting to that super bowl was relatively easy. However my answer doesn't change The last task still implicitly contains both getting to and winning a super bowl in a different season, and the combination of those tasks will always be more difficult than either one individually. Further, to say that in some instances the second super bowl run could be easier than the first, and therefore that task is easier to accomplish is a fallacy of converse accident. Even if you only posit that hypothetical to say that it makes the answer "not obvious" then you make the question trivial, because you can then say that about every element, and there is no credible way to defend any of them. Finally, if you want to go the route of facts, then: 28 teams have gotten to a Super Bowl 18 teams have won a Super Bowl 7 teams have repeated within 3 years There is simply no angle that you can approach this question from and not come to the conclusion that repeating is clearly the hardest challenge.

08-28-2013, 09:47 AM	#2
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Most difficult team task in the NFL Originally Posted by alexonfyre Let's rephrase the question, as you are, to say "Getting to Super Bowl" "Having gotten to a super bowl, win it" or "Having won a super bowl, winning again within 3 years" The probability of winning one game is almost always going to be higher than the probability of winning the number of games necessary to get to that game, so generally, as you said, getting to a super bowl is harder than winning one, even when getting to that super bowl was relatively easy. However my answer doesn't change The last task still implicitly contains both getting to and winning a super bowl in a different season, and the combination of those tasks will always be more difficult than either one individually. Further, to say that in some instances the second super bowl run could be easier than the first, and therefore that task is easier to accomplish is a fallacy of converse accident. Even if you only posit that hypothetical to say that it makes the answer "not obvious" then you make the question trivial, because you can then say that about every element, and there is no credible way to defend any of them. Finally, if you want to go the route of facts, then: 28 teams have gotten to a Super Bowl 18 teams have won a Super Bowl 7 teams have repeated within 3 years There is simply no angle that you can approach this question from and not come to the conclusion that repeating is clearly the hardest challenge. As I stated, my rebut has little to do with your opinion of which is more difficult and more to do with how obvious the possible answer is not. Moving on to your theory... Again, your myopic in viewing "team" as a franchise life span as the 2009 Saints and the 1980 Saints teams have little in common but the color scheme and home field. Once you have built your team (roster) and won a Super Bowl getting back is easier than building that team roster that will get you to and win a Superbowl. What you posted above as statistical information on how many teams have done what, has little to do with what it takes to do that. Some teams do it fairly easily compared to others. Getting a team together to win the Super Bowl for the New Orleans Saints franchise was a much more arduous task than wining it, and now getting to and winning a second one is still going to be easier than getting to our first one. My theory is that getting to a Super Bowl is the most difficult task in the NFL, your view differs because you are starting at game 1 of any given season and I am taking into consideration the difficulty that lies in assembling the team and coaches to just get there. It took the Saints 42 years to do it. Removing the luck aspect and only relying on sweat equity and intellectual property, developing the team to do it is the most difficult task, once you have the team then repeating is not nearly as difficult. The obvious question here is if the poll was so trivial why take the time out of your day to reply twice?
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

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