Haralson a Saint

08-27-2013, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by papz

How many LB'ers do you envision us keeping? If we keep 7, something is going to have to give. If we keep 8, his chances go up slightly... but I still don't see him making the team imo. My preference is to keep an extra lineman on either side of the ball or a secondary guy who excels on special teams than the extra linebacker. So if Haralson makes the team, for me, I just don't see it. But if we do go that route and keep an extra LB, I don't see Rufus helping us much out this year as opposed to some of the other LB's that are on the bubble. This isn't me knocking Rufus at all, I just don't feel he's ready to contribute which is why the PS imo, is the most logical scenario for both sides.

In a 3-4 I can see us keeping 9, especially since it appears to be our weak spot. And LB's are typically very good ST'ers.

Here's my take so far...
ILB - David Hawthorne
ILB - Ramon Humber
ILB - Curtis Lofton
ILB - Kevin Reddick (or Jonathan Vilma if healthy)
OLB - Junior Galette
OLB - Rufus Johnson
OLB - Eric Martin (or Baraka Atkins, can't decide yet)
OLB - Parys Haralson
OLB - Martez Wilson

Saintswrath · 08-27-2013, 09:15 AM

If he returns to 2012 or even earlier form we may have actually inadvertently upgraded that position, this dude is a BEAST from the highlights and stats i've read and seen..
If he's even halfway there he's basically a faster Will Smith at best.

RaginCajun83 · 08-27-2013, 09:16 AM

Good list Danno, I'm sure one or two WRs they keep will play special teams as well

Saintswrath · 08-27-2013, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by papz

How many LB'ers do you envision us keeping? If we keep 7, something is going to have to give. If we keep 8, his chances go up slightly... but I still don't see him making the team imo. My preference is to keep an extra lineman on either side of the ball or a secondary guy who excels on special teams than the extra linebacker. So if Haralson makes the team, for me, I just don't see it. But if we do go that route and keep an extra LB, I don't see Rufus helping us much out this year as opposed to some of the other LB's that are on the bubble. This isn't me knocking Rufus at all, I just don't feel he's ready to contribute which is why the PS imo, is the most logical scenario for both sides.

Probably same amount he's been getting paid, the pay usually transfers over unless player is at their final contract year then he can negotiate terms.
His pay with San Francisco was 2.4Mil

ClintSaints · 08-27-2013, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by Seer1

Hahaha! All these great comments then :"Vikings suck" comes up. WTF?

I was thinking the exact same thing.

However, the appropriate time for a "Vikings suck" comment is ALWAYS.

ClintSaints · 08-27-2013, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by Saintswrath

If he returns to 2012 or even earlier form we may have actually inadvertently upgraded that position, this dude is a BEAST from the highlights and stats i've read and seen..
If he's even halfway there he's basically a faster Will Smith at best.

2012 form would be a bad thing since he missed all of that season with a torn triceps.

papz · 08-27-2013, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

In a 3-4 I can see us keeping 9, especially since it appears to be our weak spot. And LB's are typically very good ST'ers.

Here's my take so far...
ILB - David Hawthorne
ILB - Ramon Humber
ILB - Curtis Lofton
ILB - Kevin Reddick (or Jonathan Vilma if healthy)
OLB - Junior Galette
OLB - Rufus Johnson
OLB - Eric Martin (or Baraka Atkins, can't decide yet)
OLB - Parys Haralson
OLB - Martez Wilson

If 9 ends up being the number, my feelings would definitely change. I'm looking at a Steelers roster projection and people anticipate them keeping 10 guys. I can't say I was familiar of how the position slot shakes up in a 3-4, so I'm just going to assume I may be wrong here regarding Rufus' likelihood of making the team... if the number is that high.

Budsdrinker · 08-27-2013, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by Saintswrath

Probably same amount he's been getting paid, the pay usually transfers over unless player is at their final contract year then he can negotiate terms.
His pay with San Francisco was 2.4Mil

$1.3 mil, he re-did his contract to stay this year with niners. My only concern is if we moved this fast, Wilson or Gallette are not healing as quickly as the staff would like.

TheOak · 08-27-2013, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by RaginCajun83

As much as I think he is a genius, Will's contract was one of Loomis' dumber moments. FO should have cut/traded him before the big money years hit. Since they didn't, we got this situation on our hands

There are three separate costs associated with Will Smiths contract.

His base didnt explode until 2011.

Then there is the 2m roster bonus every year.

His dead money hit hasn't been below 7M since 2009 which is the year he had 13 sacks.

So by the time he was not preforming to his contract value it was too expensive to cut him due to Dead Money..

So in reality it has been cheaper to keep him and swallow the cap hit than to suffer the dead money escalation.

Reference
Will Smith Contracts, Salaries, Cap Hits, & Transactions

It was bad from the start but no one knew he wouldn't live up to expectations until it was too late.

Budsdrinker · 08-27-2013, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

There are three separate costs associated with Will Smiths contract.

His base didnt explode until 2011.

Then there is the 2m roster bonus every year.

His dead money hit hasn't been below 7M since 2009 which is the year he had 13 sacks.

So by the time he was not preforming to his contract value it was too expensive to cut him due to Dead Money..

So in reality it has been cheaper to keep him and swallow the cap hit than to suffer the dead money escalation.

Reference
Will Smith Contracts, Salaries, Cap Hits, & Transactions

It was bad from the start but no one knew he wouldn't live up to expectations until it was too late.

Also at the time you had a good tandem with Grant which meant only one was getting a double team but then Grant went to crap which led to Smith drawing the double team which led to his lower numbers.

08-27-2013, 09:15 AM	#91
Threaded by Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by papz How many LB'ers do you envision us keeping? If we keep 7, something is going to have to give. If we keep 8, his chances go up slightly... but I still don't see him making the team imo. My preference is to keep an extra lineman on either side of the ball or a secondary guy who excels on special teams than the extra linebacker. So if Haralson makes the team, for me, I just don't see it. But if we do go that route and keep an extra LB, I don't see Rufus helping us much out this year as opposed to some of the other LB's that are on the bubble. This isn't me knocking Rufus at all, I just don't feel he's ready to contribute which is why the PS imo, is the most logical scenario for both sides. In a 3-4 I can see us keeping 9, especially since it appears to be our weak spot. And LB's are typically very good ST'ers. Here's my take so far... ILB - David Hawthorne ILB - Ramon Humber ILB - Curtis Lofton ILB - Kevin Reddick (or Jonathan Vilma if healthy) OLB - Junior Galette OLB - Rufus Johnson OLB - Eric Martin (or Baraka Atkins, can't decide yet) OLB - Parys Haralson OLB - Martez Wilson Halo likes this.
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08-27-2013, 09:15 AM	#92
Saintswrath +Mod Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Between 504 & 813 Posts: 1,776 Blog Entries: 4	Re: Haralson a Saint If he returns to 2012 or even earlier form we may have actually inadvertently upgraded that position, this dude is a BEAST from the highlights and stats i've read and seen.. If he's even halfway there he's basically a faster Will Smith at best.
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08-27-2013, 09:16 AM	#93
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: Haralson a Saint Good list Danno, I'm sure one or two WRs they keep will play special teams as well

08-27-2013, 09:20 AM	#94
Saintswrath +Mod Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Between 504 & 813 Posts: 1,776 Blog Entries: 4	Re: Haralson a Saint Originally Posted by papz How many LB'ers do you envision us keeping? If we keep 7, something is going to have to give. If we keep 8, his chances go up slightly... but I still don't see him making the team imo. My preference is to keep an extra lineman on either side of the ball or a secondary guy who excels on special teams than the extra linebacker. So if Haralson makes the team, for me, I just don't see it. But if we do go that route and keep an extra LB, I don't see Rufus helping us much out this year as opposed to some of the other LB's that are on the bubble. This isn't me knocking Rufus at all, I just don't feel he's ready to contribute which is why the PS imo, is the most logical scenario for both sides. Probably same amount he's been getting paid, the pay usually transfers over unless player is at their final contract year then he can negotiate terms. His pay with San Francisco was 2.4Mil

08-27-2013, 09:23 AM	#95
ClintSaints 500th Post Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Glendale, CA Posts: 603	Re: Haralson a Saint Originally Posted by Seer1 Hahaha! All these great comments then :"Vikings suck" comes up. WTF? I was thinking the exact same thing. However, the appropriate time for a "Vikings suck" comment is ALWAYS. Halo, Seer1 and frydaddy like this.

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08-27-2013, 09:28 AM	#96
ClintSaints 500th Post Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Glendale, CA Posts: 603	Re: Haralson a Saint Originally Posted by Saintswrath If he returns to 2012 or even earlier form we may have actually inadvertently upgraded that position, this dude is a BEAST from the highlights and stats i've read and seen.. If he's even halfway there he's basically a faster Will Smith at best. 2012 form would be a bad thing since he missed all of that season with a torn triceps.

08-27-2013, 09:30 AM	#97
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,799	Re: Haralson a Saint Originally Posted by Danno In a 3-4 I can see us keeping 9, especially since it appears to be our weak spot. And LB's are typically very good ST'ers. Here's my take so far... ILB - David Hawthorne ILB - Ramon Humber ILB - Curtis Lofton ILB - Kevin Reddick (or Jonathan Vilma if healthy) OLB - Junior Galette OLB - Rufus Johnson OLB - Eric Martin (or Baraka Atkins, can't decide yet) OLB - Parys Haralson OLB - Martez Wilson If 9 ends up being the number, my feelings would definitely change. I'm looking at a Steelers roster projection and people anticipate them keeping 10 guys. I can't say I was familiar of how the position slot shakes up in a 3-4, so I'm just going to assume I may be wrong here regarding Rufus' likelihood of making the team... if the number is that high.

08-27-2013, 09:33 AM	#98
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Haralson a Saint Originally Posted by Saintswrath Probably same amount he's been getting paid, the pay usually transfers over unless player is at their final contract year then he can negotiate terms. His pay with San Francisco was 2.4Mil $1.3 mil, he re-did his contract to stay this year with niners. My only concern is if we moved this fast, Wilson or Gallette are not healing as quickly as the staff would like.

08-27-2013, 10:00 AM	#99
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,056	Re: Haralson a Saint Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 As much as I think he is a genius, Will's contract was one of Loomis' dumber moments. FO should have cut/traded him before the big money years hit. Since they didn't, we got this situation on our hands There are three separate costs associated with Will Smiths contract. His base didnt explode until 2011. Then there is the 2m roster bonus every year. His dead money hit hasn't been below 7M since 2009 which is the year he had 13 sacks. So by the time he was not preforming to his contract value it was too expensive to cut him due to Dead Money.. So in reality it has been cheaper to keep him and swallow the cap hit than to suffer the dead money escalation. Reference Will Smith Contracts, Salaries, Cap Hits, & Transactions It was bad from the start but no one knew he wouldn't live up to expectations until it was too late.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

08-27-2013, 11:57 AM	#100
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Haralson a Saint Originally Posted by TheOak There are three separate costs associated with Will Smiths contract. His base didnt explode until 2011. Then there is the 2m roster bonus every year. His dead money hit hasn't been below 7M since 2009 which is the year he had 13 sacks. So by the time he was not preforming to his contract value it was too expensive to cut him due to Dead Money.. So in reality it has been cheaper to keep him and swallow the cap hit than to suffer the dead money escalation. Reference Will Smith Contracts, Salaries, Cap Hits, & Transactions It was bad from the start but no one knew he wouldn't live up to expectations until it was too late. Also at the time you had a good tandem with Grant which meant only one was getting a double team but then Grant went to crap which led to Smith drawing the double team which led to his lower numbers.

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