thebdj

Totally and utterly agree. He did come with a high price, what with being a first round pick but to compare him against lower drafted players is far too easy to do. On that basis, you could say Marque Colston is the best WR that ever walked the earth .... ok he is ... bad example .... but you know what I mean

I still believe that a player like Ingram who gets 15-20 carries a game, every game is no different to someone like Trent Richardson who I rate highly. In fact put Trent Richardson into our lineup, the way we play, and I wonder if his stats would be much different to those of Ingram. But he was a #3 overall pick. And he isn't being considered a bust because of the offence he plays in.

Quick aside, the ball spike in frustration did not go unnoticed and was very unprofessional. It did indeed smart of him taking it out on the O-line and that is not acceptable from ANY player.

Danno

I've seen Brees throw the ball down after a false start penalty. Did you guys hammer him too?

TheOak

Clock killing spike :P

Danno

And Ingram's was simply a premature TD spike.

cmike

I agree but Ingram's ball toss last night was a selfish move and it just looked bad. It looked as thought Mark did it not because of the play, but because he was in the game playing with less talented players. When we see Brees spiking the ball its the same as him saying " hey guys didn't we go over this in practice all week". On the field coaching type of thing.

Danno

That's all pure speculation. You have no idea why he did that or what he meant by it.
He may have been frustrated because he couldn't break enough tackles to gain some yardage.

ProMallNinja

I love Khiry Robinson, & I hope he makes the team. I view having to cut him as being equal to openly aiding another team. The kid has earned his spot.

I think that the perception of Ingram is a bit tainted, but I understand the malcontent, to a degree. All you have to do is watch his Alabama game tape to know that most of his yardage came in the latter half of most games after the opposing D had been worn down quite a bit. To think that our coaching staff didn't know that when we drafted him is laughable. Almost just as laughable as their decision to not use him the same way. I also think that something gets lost in the "Ingram needs more carries" argument. For me, it's not as much about him needing more volume as it is about the quality of his opportunities that tarnishes his stat line. He has never gotten the number of opportunities to get into the open field that PT or even Ivory got, & to attempt to compare Ingram to Ivory is just silly, at best. They are totally players with totally different running styles. All of Ivory's big shoulder-lowering collisions aside, he was MUCH more of a shifty, one cut and go back than what the untrained eye may realize. Ingram is more of a straight line runner that bruises the defense and makes them pay for being in his way. This is most obvious when you take notice of the most common game situations that the Saints coaching staff give Ingram the ball; short yardage. In order for Ingram to "come to fruition" he must be fed the ball and allowed to beat the hell out of the defense until they submit to him. No one argued with that when teams did just that with Emmitt Smith, Jerome Bettis, Earl Campbell, & etc. We just decided to draft the guy with no real plan for him apparently. 3rd and inches tanks are a dime a dozen in the middle rounds. I would tend to agree that, to this point, we flopped on the Ingram pick, but a good portion of the responsibility for that has to lie on our coaching staff. We are clearly a team that is more successful with shiftier one-cut style backs, and we dropped the ball when picking Ingram without a solid plan to utilize his abilities effectively. PT or Ivory he ain't. Give it a rest.

homerj07

Crap shoot at this point. We like Robinson right now because it was a preseason game.

If be did that in a real game.... Well we wouldn't be so forgiving, now would we?

TheOak

As forgiving as we are for INTs

B_Dub_Saint

I don't think this thread should be KR vs Ingram. It was supposed to be about Khiry making the team.

Talking about the Ingram point, we are a worse off team without him, period.