Khiry Robinson has to make the team, he's just gotta
 

Man can this guy make people miss left and right. I think he is above Cadett at this point. What cha think?

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Agreed ... They both fumbled

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If your an all pro RB or rookie RB, you're going to fumble. KR can take snaps in a real game.

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Homeboy can run the ball with authority. He reminds me a TON of Ivory, not just because of his hair and his number but his running style is powerful and intimidating.

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What's the mystery behind Cadet not being around?

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I'm just hoping he played because he has the job and not because he is trying to advertise for a job somewhere else. That's the first every down back I've seen us field in a while.

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Forget the two fumbles. Don't dwell on them. This guy is dynamite. I hope we weren't just shopping him for a trade though. Guaranteed roster spot.

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Yeah but if you can't hold on to the ball vs 3rd string you are in trouble

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I understand guys fumble from time to time. But, Khiry's second fumble was not induced by the defense.

That being said, if I had to pick one of the two to keep I would wish Cadet the best of luck elsewhere.

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Yes. Yes. Yes.

Khiry is like Ivory on steroids, just less injury prone. He deserves a roster spot, more than Cadet. He has played much better than Cadet, showing more explosiveness, elusiveness, as well as his power, and finesse of juking. I think he should battle it out with Ingram, as he as shown more consistency, even though it may have been against 2nd teams. He needs to play.

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Cadet for Patrick Willis, perhaps?

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Giggity. Giggity. Goo.

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Yes, because it is quite clear that Ingram is not built for this offense. You cannot tell me its because of the line because K-Rob was doing just fine. Trade Ingram now while he still has value and try and get someone at the LB position.
IF Ingram cannot do it against Miami's backups he sure as hell cant do it against San Francisco and the likes starters.

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I didnt see the game last night as i was far too tired to be up in the early hours so i can only go off stats.Ingram averaged 5.4 YPC last night,what was his issue.

Also seemed to be a few turnovers last nights,good D or poor play from our players

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He fumbled once

Poor play, game was sloppy for both teams

Khiry Robinson has to make the team, he's just gotta
 

22 carries / 115 yards / 5.2 YPC Rush
6 rec / 50 yards / 8.3 YPC Rec

165 yards total.

Question still remains, all the work because he got the job or was he up on display looking for one?


My take is every RB has a case of the dropsies from time to time, he had not put the ball on the ground yet then in one night everyone is funneling and looking like complete crap on offense. We had 4 fumbles one was by a starter who tried a chicken-wing over the top of defenders. They were all tired, only had three days of rest and the stress of getting cut for some took its toll.

Robinson is a flat out better RB than Cadet and I hope he plays against Atlanta. I think he had more 1st downs last night than Ingram had all year.

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I still don't get why everyone is so down on Ingram. He played well last night. His own stat line does not lie. He also fumbled once.

I don't think there has ever been any question about our O-line not creating holes for him or whatever. I do however think that a RB needs consistency. We kept giving Robinson the ball and he kept delivering. When have we EVER, in ANY game done that for Ingram.

I genuinely think Ingram has trade value because, injuries aside, if he was getting as much consistency and as many carries as someone like a Trent Richardson, you easily have a 1200+ yard 10TD runner there. Easily. We just do not play that system.

And before anyone says 'What about Robinson then', maybe the kid is just better at getting less of a consistent drag in the game. And maybe that is why he is better suited to our offense.

Don't sleep on Ingram. Trust me.

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Im not sleeping on him, Im snoring on him....... but it's not all his fault. He is never gonna pay off as much as we would want him to simply because of where he was drafted. Saints fans expect this dude to be Emmit Smith.... and he's never gonna be that without the ball. He needs touches which we don't have in abundance because of the amount of RBs who can do more with less and the fact we air it out so much!!! What's crazy is this preseason I've seen him used in a way I had never before in his Saints career so I am open to giving him the opportunity. Also If it's Khiry or Cadet.... I gotta take the upside and that's Khiry.... Cadet really hasn't shown out.... Hell he didn't show out enough to make the team to me last season...

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Haha. Ok ok. I guess the reason I feel I want to defend Ingram a little more is that he really isn't as bad as people would make out. He is not in a system that plays to his strengths.

You are absolutely right in that you get more for less from players like Sproles and Thomas. You don't have to keep giving them the ball every down and they still squirt off 5 and 10 yard runs, catches out of the backfield, screen plays etc etc. But we do need a strong power back who we lean on a little more....

And of course everyone will now say 'Hey that's Khiry Robinson' and you know what, it just may be. In the grand scheme of things, Ingram is not a massive cap hit and is worth having on that roster for sure. If Robinson is kept, continues to play and develop like he has shown and Ingram cannot continue to fit into this scheme then it's trade or cut very soon (I believe this is year 3 of a 4 year contract he is now entering).

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For what preseason stats are worth:

Khiry Robinson: Of ALL RBs in the NFL
Total Yards #1 st
YPS #33rd
First Downs #1
Fumbles #1 tied with Cadet and 1 more than Ingram
Attempts / Game #5


Saints #1 Rusher and #4 Receiver

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If he is cut he is not getting on the practise squad.
The likes of the Jets,Steelers,Cardinals and any other teams with RB issues will nab him. He has far more upside than any RB on the roster,as others have said unlike Ingram he seems to be able to come into the team for a coupleof plays and produce without the need for extended carries.Its like having Ivory there on a regular basis,bring him on for the breakout big play.Ivory set the tone in that game against the Falcons last season.

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I lost respect for Ingram last night. After he got stuffed behind the line, in his disgust, he tossed the ball in the air, showing-up the oline and the team. I'm glad coach left him in with the 4th teamers.

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In the NFL you earn what you get. Your power backs are your 3rd down backs and your goal line backs... Ingram is out side of the top 25 on both. To give a back more carries that is averaging less than 4 YPC and is no higher than 71st in the league more carries is a lesson in futility and doesn't help either developing your run game or passing game.

There is absolutely zero empirical data to justify that giving Ingram more carries per game will increase his YPC, it actually shows the opposite.


2012 games with 15+ carries 3.3 YPC
2011 Games with 15+ carries 3.3 YPC

2011 YPC ave 3.9
2012 YPC ave 3.9
2013 Preseason YPC ave
Career average 3.9

A first round draft pick that as the numbers show no matter what way you look at it is a 3.9 YPC back is a bust.

Other backs in the same performance ball park
BenJarvus Green-Ellis 3.9-4.0 YPC (Undrafted)
Jacquizz Rodgers 3.9 YPC (5th round)

Why are we down on Mark Ingram? Because he was a wasted 1st round pick after 2 seasons.

Now, he had no head coach in 2012 and no camp in 2011 so quite a few of us are waiting to see if he makes a change in 2013.. Right now we are down on him, if he doesn't have a better season this year we are calling for his head.

DeMarco Murray same draft class but went in the 3rd round 4.8 YPC ave

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Yea that was BS.. I was waiting for a flag on that one... people ask why we are frustrated with Ingram? Well ask him why he is frustrated with him self.

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After what I have seen of Ingram for the last 2 years, and Robinson this preseason and from what I know of all of our backs...

If we are 3rd and 2 against the Falcons next Sunday the ball either goes to PT or Robinson.. Anything else will have me being an unhappy camper.

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I am an Alabama fan and loved him in college.............here, not so much. I am beginning to think that he's a bit of a punk. I prefer my athletes to be more humble.

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I've defended Ingram and I still believe if you give him the ball 20-25 times a game, he will be very productive. But, it seems if the hole isn't there, he really struggles at creating and finding some yardage. Robinson can play in the NFL. However, on the Saints roster, he's going to have to find a way to play on special teams.

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Y'all are kidding me right ? The same Ingram that had a 30 yarder on a 3rd and 1 against the texans starting defense ? The same one that nearly broke it for a TD on a screen in the same game ? The same Ingram that ran over two poor Miami defenders for TD ... Kids a stud were just too soft offensively to get much out of him ... Robinson is legit but Ingram I can't let go especially When we basically refuse to give him touches and expect Adrian Peterson to somehow emerge ... There's no way I'm giving him up after we let Reggie go too .

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I'd like to see Ingram play for the niners and see if he's the same bust as over here , I highly doubt it

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Totally and utterly agree. He did come with a high price, what with being a first round pick but to compare him against lower drafted players is far too easy to do. On that basis, you could say Marque Colston is the best WR that ever walked the earth .... ok he is ... bad example .... but you know what I mean :)

I still believe that a player like Ingram who gets 15-20 carries a game, every game is no different to someone like Trent Richardson who I rate highly. In fact put Trent Richardson into our lineup, the way we play, and I wonder if his stats would be much different to those of Ingram. But he was a #3 overall pick. And he isn't being considered a bust because of the offence he plays in.

Quick aside, the ball spike in frustration did not go unnoticed and was very unprofessional. It did indeed smart of him taking it out on the O-line and that is not acceptable from ANY player.

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It's very hard to complain about stats like that and even harder to overlook being a fan or a coach. The guy looks good. I hope he is kept even if it would be at the expense of others. The best man should get the job, draft status or not. Need an example look no farther than PT23.

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I've seen Brees throw the ball down after a false start penalty. Did you guys hammer him too?

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Clock killing spike :P

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And Ingram's was simply a premature TD spike.:p

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I love Khiry Robinson, & I hope he makes the team. I view having to cut him as being equal to openly aiding another team. The kid has earned his spot.

I think that the perception of Ingram is a bit tainted, but I understand the malcontent, to a degree. All you have to do is watch his Alabama game tape to know that most of his yardage came in the latter half of most games after the opposing D had been worn down quite a bit. To think that our coaching staff didn't know that when we drafted him is laughable. Almost just as laughable as their decision to not use him the same way. I also think that something gets lost in the "Ingram needs more carries" argument. For me, it's not as much about him needing more volume as it is about the quality of his opportunities that tarnishes his stat line. He has never gotten the number of opportunities to get into the open field that PT or even Ivory got, & to attempt to compare Ingram to Ivory is just silly, at best. They are totally players with totally different running styles. All of Ivory's big shoulder-lowering collisions aside, he was MUCH more of a shifty, one cut and go back than what the untrained eye may realize. Ingram is more of a straight line runner that bruises the defense and makes them pay for being in his way. This is most obvious when you take notice of the most common game situations that the Saints coaching staff give Ingram the ball; short yardage. In order for Ingram to "come to fruition" he must be fed the ball and allowed to beat the hell out of the defense until they submit to him. No one argued with that when teams did just that with Emmitt Smith, Jerome Bettis, Earl Campbell, & etc. We just decided to draft the guy with no real plan for him apparently. 3rd and inches tanks are a dime a dozen in the middle rounds. I would tend to agree that, to this point, we flopped on the Ingram pick, but a good portion of the responsibility for that has to lie on our coaching staff. We are clearly a team that is more successful with shiftier one-cut style backs, and we dropped the ball when picking Ingram without a solid plan to utilize his abilities effectively. PT or Ivory he ain't. Give it a rest.

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Crap shoot at this point. We like Robinson right now because it was a preseason game.

If be did that in a real game.... Well we wouldn't be so forgiving, now would we?

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As forgiving as we are for INTs

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I agree but Ingram's ball toss last night was a selfish move and it just looked bad. It looked as thought Mark did it not because of the play, but because he was in the game playing with less talented players. When we see Brees spiking the ball its the same as him saying " hey guys didn't we go over this in practice all week". On the field coaching type of thing.

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That's all pure speculation. You have no idea why he did that or what he meant by it.
He may have been frustrated because he couldn't break enough tackles to gain some yardage.

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Heisman trophy winner, 1st round draft pick, playing extended time in 4th preseason game. It LOOKED bad.