The O Line
 

We came out with a win today but I haven't seen any discussion on our Oline. It seemed at times our offense stuttered and I think it's because we got handled by ATL D linemen. I was not impressed with how Strief and Brown played and times we couldn't get push for our RBs.


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I saw that, too. There is a lot of improving and cleaning up that needs to be done by the tackles...and Jahri's holding penalties.

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I'm not gonna sugar-coat it... Our O-Line looked like garbage. Between Jahri's holding penalties and the pressures allowed by Grubbs and our tackles there's a lot of work to do. Considering how inept Atlanta's D-Line is, that was one of the worst performances I've seen lately from our O-Line.

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Charles Brown was getting abused all day.

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Lucky Brees had his wits about him for the most part. But this o-line is a veteran group. They will get it together. First game or two is always rough on those guys because for the most part they haven't gone full tilt in a year, and let's not dismiss the Falcons defense either, they are a solid bunch who are going to give you trouble up front.

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I think a lot of ingrams woes come from our Oline and not him. The other factor that is affecting Ingram is something I touched on in the preseason - we use him one dimensionally. Defenses just know that when Ingram is in 9 times outta ten we are gonna run it. It's the problem I have with our running game.


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I agree with westbank. SP needs to figure out some different ways to use Ingram.

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Start using him in some screen plays...

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It's a new blocking scheme on the runs...it's gonna take a game or two to get it together. I won't give them any slack after Game 2 considering they are professionals. Really not sold on the pass protection, either. Their front 4 got pressure without blitzing, which is scary considering their front 4 is about average. Good D-lines are gonna kill both our running and passing game unless they get it jelled in a hurry.

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Enough excuses for Ingram... Pierre doesn't have any trouble running up the middle for 4 or 5 yards. Ingram is just horrible.

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Did you notice the Falcons stacking 8 in the box when Ingram was in? Can't do that with PT in the game, to much of a risk with giving up a big play off a screen.

Things would open up for Ingram if the fear of a screen was present...

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Bingo


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That's because defenses have no idea if he is gonna get the screen or the carry. With Ingram it's obvious. Like ivory last year but Ingram can't truck anyone.


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I agree we seem really predictable when Ingram is in the game. To discuss the O-Line I feel it will get better, but they looked the worst I have seen in a long time. Drew went down a couple of times and it goes without saying that we have been fortunate to have him unscathed since he has been with the Saints.

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The idea behind this new blocking scheme is to seal the out side. Did anyone see that done tonight? I sure didn't. Still, it's early and they may need a little time to settle in.

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I think it is a first game thing....if the fans notice it the staff will too. Things will be addressed in practice this week.

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Exactly. At this point all the apologists are just reaching. Wishing it so wont make it so.
I have no reason to hate him. I am not a huge college football fan an mainly watch it from a talent perspective so I don't give a crap that he came from Alabama.

Back on topic though even Evans was off today. Back to back penalties in the red zone won't cut it.
I also saw innacuracy from Brees I have never seen before. For now I will blame THAT on the line.

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Im starting to think that the loss of Aaron Kromer as O-Line coach was much bigger than we thought it would be.

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I said that from the moment he left and got argued into the ground.

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Please; PT had a rush average of 4.8 ypc today... It's just the O-Line getting comfortable with the zone blocking scheme

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But Ingram cant run it because the Oline sucks.:rolleyes:

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How many times does it have to be repeated? Ingram comes in and Atl were stacking the line of scrimmage, no threat of a screen. Pierre Thomas comes in and they can't stack the line for fear of the screen.

You start feeding Ingram some screen passes and teams will stop stacking the line looking 100% run...

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Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but didn't I see Ingram's number get called on a screen pass during a preseason game and it actually worked out pretty good? Why have that not learned to do this with him in games that count to spread the defense out some more?

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I do believe this is true, but PT and Sproles can take a screen pass to the house anytime. If we're going to run a screen pass you almost have to have one of those 2 on the field.

Mike Bell made this same dynamic work. so did Ivory, so did Deuce, etc. At some point Ingram has to start succeeding in the role he's given, whether the circumstances are perfect or not.

I loved the hell out of Ingram in college and I was ecstatic when we drafted him, but plain and simple he is not cutting it and it's making the offense less effective than they should be.

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I'm currently watching film ... Pierre Thomas faces 6 to 7 in the box , with the option to pass

Ingram on average gets 9 ( safety in the box sometimes dropping into coverage )

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Grubs got Sproles lit up on a play that could've gone the distance just plain for beat ... With only 6 in the box ... Ingram has nothing to do with how this line blocks , if you disagree I highly doubt you understand football

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Lol it's almost comical , someone's always in Ingrams way

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I said it yesterday, watching the game you get the feeling they all just found out he slept with their wives.

Now, ill reword your statement so it still fits but doesn't sound like a conspiracy and I think we are getting somewhere. :)

For what ever reasons there are, he doesn't find a hole. Even ****ty RBs fall in a hole once a game.

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Maybe it's a lack of field vision or issues with his eyesight. It may be good for the team to have his eyes checked and get him some Rick "Wild Thing" Vaughn glasses. :p

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As much as it pains me to say it, the Falcons are a good team. Not making excuses but that was the first game of the year, against a playoff caliber team. Our O line could have looked a lot better but they have often looked harried and pressured against really good teams before, it's just a rough day at the office, and especially on opening day.

The Jahri holding penalties, I kinda suspect something was going on there.... Maybe trash talking or eye poking, a little back and forth, or maybe the ref didn't like something that Jahri was doing. It almost had to be something unusual, for it to keep happening in a row or in a big bunch like that. It was a "Come on, man!" moment.

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lets face it the saints are rolling the dice once again on the OL. OG can only do so much and staying in house for yet another year will get Drew killed.

They blew it in the draft. I like out 3rd pick but we needed to do more.
also in not signing prospects for the OL from other clubs when the PS was put together.

One day this will all come back to haunt us

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Ingram is running the same way he's been running since we drafted him in 2011. There has been no improvement both in his ability and the way we use him. I will continue to cheer for him when his number is called, but I would honestly take his touches and feed Thomas and Sproles even more.

He's just not that good.

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I agree with this.
In our system, you need receivers, and pass blockers. We needed one guy who
can shut down his opponent, and allow us to hammer someone else.

You know what? I dont sweat holding penalties on pass plays.
I'd rather lose 10 yards on one series one play one game...
... than lose my QB for a year.

Did anyone else notice Drew had more time in the 2nd half?

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O-line definitely needs some work, that was obvious for most of the game.

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I don't agree with that. How could we have done more?
We picked a highly athletic LT to develop for 2014. We had Strief, Brown, Smith, Jones, Armstead and Harris all in camp, and by most reports all but Smith flashed at some point.

We needed defensive help and I have no problem at all with the guys we picked.