CharityMike

So explain to me why it's Ingrams fault when as soon as the ball is in his hands, 2+ defenders are in his face and thats not the case for PT. I know the answer, do you?

Jack Vegas

It doesn't matter why, and it doesn't matter whose fault it is. PT produces, Ingram does not produce. Therefore, the team would be best served by giving PT more playing time. That's just how I see it.

rezburna

Pierre is injury prone. We can't treat him like a workhorse.

Jack Vegas

A) he's not that injury prone. Other than 2010 he's played seasons of 15, 14, 16 and 15 games. Not counting his rookie year when he wasn't on the roster until midway through the season.

B) nobody is suggesting he carry the ball 300 times. But give him 200 carries and he's a 1000 yard back. That's not much more than he got the ball in 2009 and he was still in fantastic shape for the playoffs and in fact was one of the team's best players throughout the postseason.

rezburna

Those stats don't say how many games he started and didn't finish.

CharityMike

Well then you can't see the forest through the trees.

Jack Vegas

The expression is "You can't see the forest FOR the trees", and it means that one struggles to see the big picture because he is too busy looking at small individual things. Which, in fact, is exactly what YOU are doing, and also is the exact OPPOSITE of what I am doing. I want the team's running game as a whole to be better; meanwhile you want them to change everything to cater to one guy who otherwise does not seem to fit in very well.

Besides that, you've yet to offer an explanation why they should keep using Ingram despite his obvious lack of productivity in this offense.

Don't get me wrong. I am not an Ingram hater. I have been behind him from day one. But there comes a time when you have to admit that maybe it's not going to work out for him with the Saints. There's no shame in that for either side. You just get what you can and move on, and find another person who can have success within the context of the offense rather than continuing to cram square pegs into round holes.

Jack Vegas

OK, enlighten me then. how many? I certainly don't recall him leaving many games.

Cruize

The offense is less predictable with PT on the field. What happened in the preseason when they actually checked down to Ingram? He nearly took it to the house. All of the backs deserve to get their touches. PT has the best feel for the game and the O-Line. Sproles is great out of the backfield and is a matchup nightmare. Ingram is just trying too hard in his limited plays. He's not a role player. Thomas and Sproles are. The offense, which includes the WR's as well, is schemed to use alot of players. Ingram would be better off elsewhere and the Saints wouldn't be worse off without him. It is what it is.

Rugby Saint II

Payton swore that after PT got knocked out that we would always have plenty of running backs...........and we do.
I have come to believe that MI just doesn't fit the system.
We do need to remember that PT has had injuries that have nagged him in the past and he's not getting any younger. Trade Ingram and bring in Robinson.