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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by Saintaintso In all seriousness ... No team can draft 2 Heisman winning running backs where both turn out to busts and the team should be given a free pass to not even consider it might not be ...

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Old 09-17-2013, 12:06 PM   #1
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Re: Ingram- What do we do with him?

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In all seriousness ... No team can draft 2 Heisman winning running backs where both turn out to busts and the team should be given a free pass to not even consider it might not be a problem with the backs but scheme , blocking etc ... Very different running styles , very different Offensive Line blocking for both in College. The odds of Bush and Ingram being so radically different both being busts are slim to none. It's on us , we're doing something very wrong which is why Sean Payton has been forcing Ingram so much so. He's evaluated so much film in that off year it's probably not even funny. He doesn't want to make the same mistake twice. Different things made them great , but they both had something in common around the same time they were being called busts ... The Saints


We can do the adult thing and admit our O Line couldn't clear enough ground for an ant to squeak through or we can make the same childish 4 year old finger pointing mistake as usual.


Fact , any and everytime Ingram , Sproles , Thomas , Robinson , Ivory , Bell , Bush , Collins , Cadet , get's a decent blocking line , They Shine ...

For 2 weeks I have watched this line get massacred and barely squeak by. Even on Drew's highlight throws he's a millisecond from being sacked. ( Umneyoira on the Colston throw ) This cannot continue , I haven't seen Brees hit that hard and often in a very long time !
You have a point... The New Orleans Saints damage Running Back talent.

Pierre Thomas ~ Most Underrated Running Back in the NFL
Darren Sproles ~ Got better when he came to New Orleans
Chris Ivory ~ Never averaged less than 4.7 YPC
Deuce McAllister ~ The Deuce.. Enough Said

Reggie Bush ~ Was not a bust... no more than he was in Miami, and I dont recall anyone calling him a bust. Reggie was let go because of the same reason we let Chris Ivory go.. Couldn't stay healthy. Reggie Bush had his most productive seasons rushing and receiving as a Saint. He had ONE season where he played more than 15 games for New Orleans. Reggie Bush scored more TD's per year as a Saint than a Dolphin.
Reggie Bush: Career Stats at NFL.com

And Reggie bush was a hell of a lot more productive than Mark Ingram...

You are way off base. And the number of Heisman Trophy RBs we have destroyed is 3... You may as well tack on Rickey Williams.

The correct synopsis would be that Heisman Trophy winning Running Backs do not pan out in the NFL with high powered passing offenses... Or you could say that the NCAA has not produced a Heisman Trophy winning RB worth two ****z in the last 24 years...Period

Here are all of your last HT Winning RB for the last 20 years
Mark Ingram
Reggie Bush
Ron Dayne
Rickey Williams

You have to go back 25+ years to find a Heisman Trophy winning RB that did something in the NFL
Barry Sanders 1988
Bo Jackson 1985

It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau
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Old 09-17-2013, 06:25 AM   #2
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Tell ya what- Sean better get off his high horse and start one of those other guys because we have 0, and I mean 0 run game right now. I am glad he keeps doing it even though it isn't working, but we need to start to move the ball. MI cannot seem to get it done so bring in the young Robinson and at least give the guy a shot. Back in the day when our running game was stalled we'd bring in Ivory let him knock over like 4 people and that would get the rest of our guys going. We have nothing right now. PT cannot carry the load as a full time RB. Nope. We need to find someone who can get it done.

I have no doubt that MI is a professional and trying to be successful. He just doesn't seem to be able to get it done.
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Tell ya what- Sean better get off his high horse and start one of those other guys because we have 0, and I mean 0 run game right now. I am glad he keeps doing it even though it isn't working, but we need to start to move the ball. MI cannot seem to get it done so bring in the young Robinson and at least give the guy a shot. Back in the day when our running game was stalled we'd bring in Ivory let him knock over like 4 people and that would get the rest of our guys going. We have nothing right now. PT cannot carry the load as a full time RB. Nope. We need to find someone who can get it done.

I have no doubt that MI is a professional and trying to be successful. He just doesn't seem to be able to get it done.
Our run game was stellar last season until Ivory entered the game and everyone responded, the O-line looked better, the backs looked better, he!! even Brees looked better, then they put him on the bench, I did not like that at all. I am a firm believer in if a player has a hot hand keep it going, the entire team can feed off of it. We need someone to give us that spark and Payton to keep that hot hand feed.
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Old 09-17-2013, 10:54 AM   #4
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Our run game was stellar last season until Ivory entered the game and everyone responded, the O-line looked better, the backs looked better, he!! even Brees looked better, then they put him on the bench, I did not like that at all. I am a firm believer in if a player has a hot hand keep it going, the entire team can feed off of it. We need someone to give us that spark and Payton to keep that hot hand feed.
I would not call last years run game stellar. Even when Ivory was finally put in. It improved with him, but not enough.
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I am willingly eatting crow on this guy.

He is done. We should have shipped him off. He's never going to get the 15-20 touches "He needs" to "Get up to game speed".

I'm sorry, but he is a bust for the Saints. He may do great things elsewhere; but for us he is taking up space.

Someone pass the pepper please.
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I believe that it wasn't enough is because he sat on the bench once he got it jumpstarted.
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"We" don't do anything.
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better get out the way, Oak and his facts are back. Can't wait to see who tries to disprove these
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Give him away for a rd 5. He is trash. I would trade him to the Russian league and have his citizanship revoked.
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Old 09-17-2013, 12:53 PM   #10
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You folks are brutal. PT wouldn't have made it in on that play either. Why not start with having the O-Line block someone?
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