Ingram- What do we do with him?

AlaskaSaints · 09-17-2013, 02:00 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

You keep working with him. PT and Sproles won't last 10 weeks by themselves.

BWAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

Surely that's sarcasm.

Alaska

AlaskaSaints · 09-17-2013, 02:02 AM

Trade him to Detroit, then he can skip one whole move in his life.

Alaska

AlaskaSaints · 09-17-2013, 02:15 AM

Originally Posted by DISPLACEDFAN

its not like like rooting for the guy to be bad he just is.i'm not acting like a 14yr old I just take the black and gold spectacle's off from time to time and call it like I see it sometimes those spec's cloud judgment but under your Danno it says Truth Addict also

Change it to read, "Ingram-tard"?

Alaska

Saintaintso · 09-17-2013, 02:27 AM

In all seriousness ... No team can draft 2 Heisman winning running backs where both turn out to busts and the team should be given a free pass to not even consider it might not be a problem with the backs but scheme , blocking etc ... Very different running styles , very different Offensive Line blocking for both in College. The odds of Bush and Ingram being so radically different both being busts are slim to none. It's on us , we're doing something very wrong which is why Sean Payton has been forcing Ingram so much so. He's evaluated so much film in that off year it's probably not even funny. He doesn't want to make the same mistake twice. Different things made them great , but they both had something in common around the same time they were being called busts ... The Saints

We can do the adult thing and admit our O Line couldn't clear enough ground for an ant to squeak through or we can make the same childish 4 year old finger pointing mistake as usual.

Fact , any and everytime Ingram , Sproles , Thomas , Robinson , Ivory , Bell , Bush , Collins , Cadet , get's a decent blocking line , They Shine ...

For 2 weeks I have watched this line get massacred and barely squeak by. Even on Drew's highlight throws he's a millisecond from being sacked. ( Umneyoira on the Colston throw ) This cannot continue , I haven't seen Brees hit that hard and often in a very long time !

jeanpierre · 09-17-2013, 04:54 AM

Originally Posted by DISPLACEDFAN

For everyone who says Thomas won't last if given more work How do you know that the guy has never been given a chance to touch the ball more than 20 times except twice in all the time he has been here.

Displaced...

...when his touches have gone over 15, over a couple of games, when he was younger, he's had wear-down type injuries; we've discussed this here before ad nauseum...

SloMotion · 09-17-2013, 06:37 AM

Originally Posted by AlaskaSaints

Trade him to Detroit, then he can skip one whole move in his life.

Alaska

Might not be a bad idea ... Bush already went down in Week 2 with a knee injury, and if his time in New Orleans is any indication, that'll be the status quo. Already got Joique Bell, I'm sure they could find a place for Ingram,

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Too bad they couldn't of worked something out for Robert Porcher (D/L) prior to him leaving ... the Lions could feed the Saints defensive lineman and the Saints could continue sending running backs Detroit's way, it's a win-win,

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After reading all the opinions & observations on Ingram and from what I've seen of the lad, you got to use him or lose him ... he's obviously not happy in running-back-by-committee so either give him the carries and let him succeed/fail or send him to Indy/Detroit/Pittsburgh etc... where he'll get the carries and succeed/fail.

Just give him the rock (anywhere) and let him sink or swim ... if he swims, he gets a nice contract, if he sinks, he gets discarded to the NFL junkpile. It's a cruel world,

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spkb25 · 09-17-2013, 07:25 AM

Tell ya what- Sean better get off his high horse and start one of those other guys because we have 0, and I mean 0 run game right now. I am glad he keeps doing it even though it isn't working, but we need to start to move the ball. MI cannot seem to get it done so bring in the young Robinson and at least give the guy a shot. Back in the day when our running game was stalled we'd bring in Ivory let him knock over like 4 people and that would get the rest of our guys going. We have nothing right now. PT cannot carry the load as a full time RB. Nope. We need to find someone who can get it done.

I have no doubt that MI is a professional and trying to be successful. He just doesn't seem to be able to get it done.

SapperSaint · 09-17-2013, 08:50 AM

I am willingly eatting crow on this guy.

He is done. We should have shipped him off. He's never going to get the 15-20 touches "He needs" to "Get up to game speed".

I'm sorry, but he is a bust for the Saints. He may do great things elsewhere; but for us he is taking up space.

Someone pass the pepper please.

halloween 65 · 09-17-2013, 09:02 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Tell ya what- Sean better get off his high horse and start one of those other guys because we have 0, and I mean 0 run game right now. I am glad he keeps doing it even though it isn't working, but we need to start to move the ball. MI cannot seem to get it done so bring in the young Robinson and at least give the guy a shot. Back in the day when our running game was stalled we'd bring in Ivory let him knock over like 4 people and that would get the rest of our guys going. We have nothing right now. PT cannot carry the load as a full time RB. Nope. We need to find someone who can get it done.

I have no doubt that MI is a professional and trying to be successful. He just doesn't seem to be able to get it done.

Our run game was stellar last season until Ivory entered the game and everyone responded, the O-line looked better, the backs looked better, he!! even Brees looked better, then they put him on the bench, I did not like that at all. I am a firm believer in if a player has a hot hand keep it going, the entire team can feed off of it. We need someone to give us that spark and Payton to keep that hot hand feed.

The Dude · 09-17-2013, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Our run game was stellar last season until Ivory entered the game and everyone responded, the O-line looked better, the backs looked better, he!! even Brees looked better, then they put him on the bench, I did not like that at all. I am a firm believer in if a player has a hot hand keep it going, the entire team can feed off of it. We need someone to give us that spark and Payton to keep that hot hand feed.

I would not call last years run game stellar. Even when Ivory was finally put in. It improved with him, but not enough.

09-17-2013, 02:00 AM	#151
AlaskaSaints 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Anchorage, AK Posts: 2,484 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Ingram- What do we do with him? Originally Posted by Danno You keep working with him. PT and Sproles won't last 10 weeks by themselves. BWAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH Surely that's sarcasm. Alaska

09-17-2013, 02:02 AM	#152
AlaskaSaints 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Anchorage, AK Posts: 2,484 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Ingram- What do we do with him? Trade him to Detroit, then he can skip one whole move in his life. Alaska SloMotion likes this.

09-17-2013, 02:15 AM	#153
AlaskaSaints 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Anchorage, AK Posts: 2,484 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Ingram- What do we do with him? Originally Posted by DISPLACEDFAN its not like like rooting for the guy to be bad he just is.i'm not acting like a 14yr old I just take the black and gold spectacle's off from time to time and call it like I see it sometimes those spec's cloud judgment but under your Danno it says Truth Addict also Change it to read, "Ingram-tard"? Alaska

09-17-2013, 02:27 AM	#154
Saintaintso 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 937	Re: Ingram- What do we do with him? In all seriousness ... No team can draft 2 Heisman winning running backs where both turn out to busts and the team should be given a free pass to not even consider it might not be a problem with the backs but scheme , blocking etc ... Very different running styles , very different Offensive Line blocking for both in College. The odds of Bush and Ingram being so radically different both being busts are slim to none. It's on us , we're doing something very wrong which is why Sean Payton has been forcing Ingram so much so. He's evaluated so much film in that off year it's probably not even funny. He doesn't want to make the same mistake twice. Different things made them great , but they both had something in common around the same time they were being called busts ... The Saints We can do the adult thing and admit our O Line couldn't clear enough ground for an ant to squeak through or we can make the same childish 4 year old finger pointing mistake as usual. Fact , any and everytime Ingram , Sproles , Thomas , Robinson , Ivory , Bell , Bush , Collins , Cadet , get's a decent blocking line , They Shine ... For 2 weeks I have watched this line get massacred and barely squeak by. Even on Drew's highlight throws he's a millisecond from being sacked. ( Umneyoira on the Colston throw ) This cannot continue , I haven't seen Brees hit that hard and often in a very long time ! Danno, xan and Mr.Riaton like this.
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09-17-2013, 06:37 AM	#156
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Ingram- What do we do with him? Originally Posted by AlaskaSaints Trade him to Detroit, then he can skip one whole move in his life. Alaska Might not be a bad idea ... Bush already went down in Week 2 with a knee injury, and if his time in New Orleans is any indication, that'll be the status quo. Already got Joique Bell, I'm sure they could find a place for Ingram, . Too bad they couldn't of worked something out for Robert Porcher (D/L) prior to him leaving ... the Lions could feed the Saints defensive lineman and the Saints could continue sending running backs Detroit's way, it's a win-win, . After reading all the opinions & observations on Ingram and from what I've seen of the lad, you got to use him or lose him ... he's obviously not happy in running-back-by-committee so either give him the carries and let him succeed/fail or send him to Indy/Detroit/Pittsburgh etc... where he'll get the carries and succeed/fail. Just give him the rock (anywhere) and let him sink or swim ... if he swims, he gets a nice contract, if he sinks, he gets discarded to the NFL junkpile. It's a cruel world, .

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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: Ingram- What do we do with him? Tell ya what- Sean better get off his high horse and start one of those other guys because we have 0, and I mean 0 run game right now. I am glad he keeps doing it even though it isn't working, but we need to start to move the ball. MI cannot seem to get it done so bring in the young Robinson and at least give the guy a shot. Back in the day when our running game was stalled we'd bring in Ivory let him knock over like 4 people and that would get the rest of our guys going. We have nothing right now. PT cannot carry the load as a full time RB. Nope. We need to find someone who can get it done. I have no doubt that MI is a professional and trying to be successful. He just doesn't seem to be able to get it done. AlaskaSaints and halloween 65 like this.
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09-17-2013, 08:50 AM	#158
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: Ingram- What do we do with him? I am willingly eatting crow on this guy. He is done. We should have shipped him off. He's never going to get the 15-20 touches "He needs" to "Get up to game speed". I'm sorry, but he is a bust for the Saints. He may do great things elsewhere; but for us he is taking up space. Someone pass the pepper please. AlaskaSaints likes this.

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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Ingram- What do we do with him? Originally Posted by spkb25 Tell ya what- Sean better get off his high horse and start one of those other guys because we have 0, and I mean 0 run game right now. I am glad he keeps doing it even though it isn't working, but we need to start to move the ball. MI cannot seem to get it done so bring in the young Robinson and at least give the guy a shot. Back in the day when our running game was stalled we'd bring in Ivory let him knock over like 4 people and that would get the rest of our guys going. We have nothing right now. PT cannot carry the load as a full time RB. Nope. We need to find someone who can get it done. I have no doubt that MI is a professional and trying to be successful. He just doesn't seem to be able to get it done. Our run game was stellar last season until Ivory entered the game and everyone responded, the O-line looked better, the backs looked better, he!! even Brees looked better, then they put him on the bench, I did not like that at all. I am a firm believer in if a player has a hot hand keep it going, the entire team can feed off of it. We need someone to give us that spark and Payton to keep that hot hand feed. AlaskaSaints likes this.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: Ingram- What do we do with him? Originally Posted by halloween 65 Our run game was stellar last season until Ivory entered the game and everyone responded, the O-line looked better, the backs looked better, he!! even Brees looked better, then they put him on the bench, I did not like that at all. I am a firm believer in if a player has a hot hand keep it going, the entire team can feed off of it. We need someone to give us that spark and Payton to keep that hot hand feed. I would not call last years run game stellar. Even when Ivory was finally put in. It improved with him, but not enough.
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