Ingram- What do we do with him?

Saintaintso · 09-19-2013, 06:19 PM

RB's arent like Qb's in their transition to the NFL ... Same concept , Same Philosophy , take the handoff , allow the play to develop , let your blockers get a hat on somebody , find the hole and get out ! Same exact thing as in college !

That's 2 Heisman winning Runningbacks in the Payton Era that we've wasted because we won't take a real look in the mirror at our Blocking for the Poor Guys. Instead we label them busts and let them waltz away.

We're too damn soft up front !!! Any physical team we play crushes and embarrasses us !

I wish Ingram the very best wherever he goes. Draft a Julio Jones or Something like that , we're not serious about running the ball.

Robinson was decent against guys that no longer have a roster spot , he's no savior either.

papz · 09-19-2013, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by Saintaintso

RB's arent like Qb's in their transition to the NFL ... Same concept , Same Philosophy , take the handoff , allow the play to develop , let your blockers get a hat on somebody , find the hole and get out ! Same exact thing as in college !

That's 2 Heisman winning Runningbacks in the Payton Era that we've wasted because we won't take a real look in the mirror at our Blocking for the Poor Guys. Instead we label them busts and let them waltz away.

We're too damn soft up front !!! Any physical team we play crushes and embarrasses us !

I wish Ingram the very best wherever he goes. Draft a Julio Jones or Something like that , we're not serious about running the ball.

Robinson was decent against guys that no longer have a roster spot , he's no savior either.

More excuses. What's new?

We've had a great tandem of guards for the majority of years Payton has been here and we've ranked top 7 twice in rushing. The excuses are getting old. There's something called accountability. Ingram is subjected to it as well.

These threads are not only getting old, but annoying as frick. It's a broken record... what is there left to discuss.

Saintaintso · 09-19-2013, 06:33 PM

So are the Offensive lineman accountable for not blocking as well ? He only bends it outside because the inside has more defenders than blockers Period ! The Film consistently backs me up !

Euphoria · 09-19-2013, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by Saintaintso

RB's arent like Qb's in their transition to the NFL ... Same concept , Same Philosophy , take the handoff , allow the play to develop , let your blockers get a hat on somebody , find the hole and get out ! Same exact thing as in college !

That's 2 Heisman winning Runningbacks in the Payton Era that we've wasted because we won't take a real look in the mirror at our Blocking for the Poor Guys. Instead we label them busts and let them waltz away.

We're too damn soft up front !!! Any physical team we play crushes and embarrasses us !

I wish Ingram the very best wherever he goes. Draft a Julio Jones or Something like that , we're not serious about running the ball.

Robinson was decent against guys that no longer have a roster spot , he's no savior either.

So not true. They need to develop as well. Seeing and reading the wholes take time... the game is faster they have to get use to the speed and learn to read the D and pick up blitz at that level. Not as much time as a QB but they still need to be developed.

Ingram's problem is this: He isn't a smart football player. He carried the ball in the wrong hand, he's a bit slow, and doesn't make the right reads and cuts.

Euphoria · 09-19-2013, 06:36 PM

blocking could be better but that doesn't explain why Thomas and Sproles is gaining yards.

Saintaintso · 09-19-2013, 06:37 PM

That's an understatement , they actually couldn't do any worse for Ingram , Thomas and Sproles don't face stacked boxes because they pose a passing threat to the Defense ... Simple Football

papz · 09-19-2013, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by Saintaintso

So are the Offensive lineman accountable for not blocking as well ? He only bends it outside because the inside has more defenders than blockers Period ! The Film consistently backs me up !

Yes. That was easy.

Does that change something?

Jack Vegas · 09-19-2013, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by Saintaintso

That's 2 Heisman winning Runningbacks in the Payton Era that we've wasted because we won't take a real look in the mirror at our Blocking for the Poor Guys.

So how do you explain the successful running backs? There are several backs that have played in the same system that have had plenty of success. Hell we signed Julius Jones off the street once, and even he managed 4 yards per carry. PT, Sproles, Bell, Deuce, Ivory....all successful in the same offensive system and behind the same offensive line.

It's time to stop making excuses for Mr. Ingram.

Saintaintso · 09-19-2013, 06:41 PM

What would Adrian Peterson look like in our Backfield ? A Bust ...

Any and everytime Ingram gets a hole , I've seen him take off. Lord it's been a while since he's gotten a hole !

So to sum up what the nay sayers want , You want Ingram to get the ball , Break an Immediate tackle during the handoff exchange , Outrun the defenders in his face , Find some sort of non existent hole and gain 5 to 6 yards every play ? THIS AIN'T MADDEN !!!

Saintaintso · 09-19-2013, 06:44 PM

And The Success of PT and Sproles is only a tribute to the Passing Game. Rushing wise they are too average at best.

Now if you wanted to attack Ingrams one dimensional talents , then I'd readily agree , he'd see less stacked boxes if he could do harm in the flats

09-19-2013, 06:19 PM	#251
Saintaintso 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 937	Re: For the Ingram Haters RB's arent like Qb's in their transition to the NFL ... Same concept , Same Philosophy , take the handoff , allow the play to develop , let your blockers get a hat on somebody , find the hole and get out ! Same exact thing as in college ! That's 2 Heisman winning Runningbacks in the Payton Era that we've wasted because we won't take a real look in the mirror at our Blocking for the Poor Guys. Instead we label them busts and let them waltz away. We're too damn soft up front !!! Any physical team we play crushes and embarrasses us ! I wish Ingram the very best wherever he goes. Draft a Julio Jones or Something like that , we're not serious about running the ball. Robinson was decent against guys that no longer have a roster spot , he's no savior either. Danno likes this.
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09-19-2013, 06:28 PM	#252
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	Re: For the Ingram Haters Originally Posted by Saintaintso RB's arent like Qb's in their transition to the NFL ... Same concept , Same Philosophy , take the handoff , allow the play to develop , let your blockers get a hat on somebody , find the hole and get out ! Same exact thing as in college ! That's 2 Heisman winning Runningbacks in the Payton Era that we've wasted because we won't take a real look in the mirror at our Blocking for the Poor Guys. Instead we label them busts and let them waltz away. We're too damn soft up front !!! Any physical team we play crushes and embarrasses us ! I wish Ingram the very best wherever he goes. Draft a Julio Jones or Something like that , we're not serious about running the ball. Robinson was decent against guys that no longer have a roster spot , he's no savior either. More excuses. What's new? We've had a great tandem of guards for the majority of years Payton has been here and we've ranked top 7 twice in rushing. The excuses are getting old. There's something called accountability. Ingram is subjected to it as well. These threads are not only getting old, but annoying as frick. It's a broken record... what is there left to discuss. DISPLACEDFAN likes this.

09-19-2013, 06:33 PM	#253
Saintaintso 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 937	Re: For the Ingram Haters So are the Offensive lineman accountable for not blocking as well ? He only bends it outside because the inside has more defenders than blockers Period ! The Film consistently backs me up !
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Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: For the Ingram Haters Originally Posted by Saintaintso RB's arent like Qb's in their transition to the NFL ... Same concept , Same Philosophy , take the handoff , allow the play to develop , let your blockers get a hat on somebody , find the hole and get out ! Same exact thing as in college ! That's 2 Heisman winning Runningbacks in the Payton Era that we've wasted because we won't take a real look in the mirror at our Blocking for the Poor Guys. Instead we label them busts and let them waltz away. We're too damn soft up front !!! Any physical team we play crushes and embarrasses us ! I wish Ingram the very best wherever he goes. Draft a Julio Jones or Something like that , we're not serious about running the ball. Robinson was decent against guys that no longer have a roster spot , he's no savior either. So not true. They need to develop as well. Seeing and reading the wholes take time... the game is faster they have to get use to the speed and learn to read the D and pick up blitz at that level. Not as much time as a QB but they still need to be developed. Ingram's problem is this: He isn't a smart football player. He carried the ball in the wrong hand, he's a bit slow, and doesn't make the right reads and cuts.

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09-19-2013, 06:37 PM	#256
Saintaintso 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 937	Re: For the Ingram Haters That's an understatement , they actually couldn't do any worse for Ingram , Thomas and Sproles don't face stacked boxes because they pose a passing threat to the Defense ... Simple Football
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papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	Re: For the Ingram Haters Originally Posted by Saintaintso So are the Offensive lineman accountable for not blocking as well ? He only bends it outside because the inside has more defenders than blockers Period ! The Film consistently backs me up ! Yes. That was easy. Does that change something? Utah_Saint likes this.

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Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: For the Ingram Haters Originally Posted by Saintaintso That's 2 Heisman winning Runningbacks in the Payton Era that we've wasted because we won't take a real look in the mirror at our Blocking for the Poor Guys. So how do you explain the successful running backs? There are several backs that have played in the same system that have had plenty of success. Hell we signed Julius Jones off the street once, and even he managed 4 yards per carry. PT, Sproles, Bell, Deuce, Ivory....all successful in the same offensive system and behind the same offensive line. It's time to stop making excuses for Mr. Ingram.
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09-19-2013, 06:41 PM	#259
Saintaintso 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 937	Re: For the Ingram Haters What would Adrian Peterson look like in our Backfield ? A Bust ... Any and everytime Ingram gets a hole , I've seen him take off. Lord it's been a while since he's gotten a hole ! So to sum up what the nay sayers want , You want Ingram to get the ball , Break an Immediate tackle during the handoff exchange , Outrun the defenders in his face , Find some sort of non existent hole and gain 5 to 6 yards every play ? THIS AIN'T MADDEN !!!
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Saintaintso 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 937	Re: For the Ingram Haters And The Success of PT and Sproles is only a tribute to the Passing Game. Rushing wise they are too average at best. Now if you wanted to attack Ingrams one dimensional talents , then I'd readily agree , he'd see less stacked boxes if he could do harm in the flats
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