Ingram- What do we do with him?

Mr.Riaton · 09-16-2013, 07:23 AM

Originally Posted by papz

You should probably attach the YPC to that as well. Statistically, those numbers are very misleading... and you know it.

Guess that phrase is right. Stats don't lie... people use stats to lie.

P.Thomas-5.9
D.Sproles-3.6
M.Ingram-2.8

P.Thomas is an exception....the dude is a beast. Your right, stats can be misleading,but aren't YPC stats also? I have no idea why you think I'm using stats to lie....I'm making a point that Ingram is not all to blame here. He may not be the back we all expected him to be, but he's not as bad as some make him out to be.He had a couple decent runs, but people act like he did absolutely nothing at all. If that's the case, lets all bash Sproles for his 3.6 YPC game. Well look at that-I used a YPC stat!

TheOak · 09-16-2013, 07:34 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton

P.Thomas-5.9
D.Sproles-3.6
M.Ingram-2.8

P.Thomas is an exception....the dude is a beast. Your right, stats can be misleading,but aren't YPC stats also? I have no idea why you think I'm using stats to lie....I'm making a point that Ingram is not all to blame here. He may not be the back we all expected him to be, but he's not as bad as some make him out to be.He had a couple decent runs, but people act like he did absolutely nothing at all. If that's the case, lets all bash Sproles for his 3.6 YPC game. Well look at that-I used a YPC stat!

Look brother, is he horrible? No

Here are my issues with ingram:

1. We is a 1st round draft pick getting out run by Undrafted Free Agents.
2. He is "supposed" to be our punch it through short down, goal line back.. He is not getting 1st downs and he is not getting TDs.

Here is a question for you, Its the NFC Championship game, Saints 9 Falcons 14 we have ball on the 3 yard line with 5 seconds left on the clock.

Is Ingram your guy?

Mr.Riaton · 09-16-2013, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Look brother, is he horrible? No

Here are my issues with ingram:

1. We is a 1st round draft pick getting out run by Undrafted Free Agents.
2. He is "supposed" to be our punch it through short down, goal line back.. He is not getting 1st downs and he is not getting TDs.

Here is a question for you, Its the NFC Championship game, Saints 9 Falcons 14 we have ball on the 3 yard line with 5 seconds left on the clock.

Is Ingram your guy?

No, Thomas is. I agree with you on that. But if Thomas was used like Ingram is, I wouldn't be as confident.

papz · 09-16-2013, 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton

P.Thomas-5.9
D.Sproles-3.6
M.Ingram-2.8

P.Thomas is an exception....the dude is a beast. Your right, stats can be misleading,but aren't YPC stats also? I have no idea why you think I'm using stats to lie....I'm making a point that Ingram is not all to blame here. He may not be the back we all expected him to be, but he's not as bad as some make him out to be.He had a couple decent runs, but people act like he did absolutely nothing at all. If that's the case, lets all bash Sproles for his 3.6 YPC game. Well look at that-I used a YPC stat!

He's averaging less than 2 yards per carry this year. If he rushed the ball 4 times, we'd still be 2 yards short of a first down.

I understand our offensive line hasn't been great this year(so far), but good players can make yards out of nothing. Right now, Ingram just isn't very good. I'm not saying we should take the guy out of our rotation completely, but something has to change on the way we use him and we need to some making excuses for him when he's failing. His criticism in warranted. His ability to read and diagnosis plays since he's been here has not changed. His ability to create yards after contact has not changed. The only thing that has changed from week to week is the amount of excuses we can come up with to deflect from his performance.

And if you're going to knock Sproles for averaging 3.6 YPC, please knock Ingram as well. That said if we ran Sproles even at 3.6 YPC, we'd be moving the chains.

I hope he turns things around. I hope he turns things around here. But sometimes things just don't work out the way they're intended to... and we need to acknowledge that and stop forcing it.

09-16-2013, 07:23 AM	#1
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,308	Re: Ingram- What do we do with him? Originally Posted by papz You should probably attach the YPC to that as well. Statistically, those numbers are very misleading... and you know it. Guess that phrase is right. Stats don't lie... people use stats to lie. P.Thomas-5.9 D.Sproles-3.6 M.Ingram-2.8 P.Thomas is an exception....the dude is a beast. Your right, stats can be misleading,but aren't YPC stats also? I have no idea why you think I'm using stats to lie....I'm making a point that Ingram is not all to blame here. He may not be the back we all expected him to be, but he's not as bad as some make him out to be.He had a couple decent runs, but people act like he did absolutely nothing at all. If that's the case, lets all bash Sproles for his 3.6 YPC game. Well look at that-I used a YPC stat!

09-16-2013, 07:34 AM	#2
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Re: Ingram- What do we do with him? Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton P.Thomas-5.9 D.Sproles-3.6 M.Ingram-2.8 P.Thomas is an exception....the dude is a beast. Your right, stats can be misleading,but aren't YPC stats also? I have no idea why you think I'm using stats to lie....I'm making a point that Ingram is not all to blame here. He may not be the back we all expected him to be, but he's not as bad as some make him out to be.He had a couple decent runs, but people act like he did absolutely nothing at all. If that's the case, lets all bash Sproles for his 3.6 YPC game. Well look at that-I used a YPC stat! Look brother, is he horrible? No Here are my issues with ingram: 1. We is a 1st round draft pick getting out run by Undrafted Free Agents. 2. He is "supposed" to be our punch it through short down, goal line back.. He is not getting 1st downs and he is not getting TDs. Here is a question for you, Its the NFC Championship game, Saints 9 Falcons 14 we have ball on the 3 yard line with 5 seconds left on the clock. Is Ingram your guy? thebdj and WhoDat2301 like this.

09-16-2013, 09:52 AM	#3
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,308	Re: Ingram- What do we do with him? Originally Posted by TheOak Look brother, is he horrible? No Here are my issues with ingram: 1. We is a 1st round draft pick getting out run by Undrafted Free Agents. 2. He is "supposed" to be our punch it through short down, goal line back.. He is not getting 1st downs and he is not getting TDs. Here is a question for you, Its the NFC Championship game, Saints 9 Falcons 14 we have ball on the 3 yard line with 5 seconds left on the clock. Is Ingram your guy? No, Thomas is. I agree with you on that. But if Thomas was used like Ingram is, I wouldn't be as confident.

09-16-2013, 07:47 AM	#4
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,794	Re: Ingram- What do we do with him? Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton P.Thomas-5.9 D.Sproles-3.6 M.Ingram-2.8 P.Thomas is an exception....the dude is a beast. Your right, stats can be misleading,but aren't YPC stats also? I have no idea why you think I'm using stats to lie....I'm making a point that Ingram is not all to blame here. He may not be the back we all expected him to be, but he's not as bad as some make him out to be.He had a couple decent runs, but people act like he did absolutely nothing at all. If that's the case, lets all bash Sproles for his 3.6 YPC game. Well look at that-I used a YPC stat! He's averaging less than 2 yards per carry this year. If he rushed the ball 4 times, we'd still be 2 yards short of a first down. I understand our offensive line hasn't been great this year(so far), but good players can make yards out of nothing. Right now, Ingram just isn't very good. I'm not saying we should take the guy out of our rotation completely, but something has to change on the way we use him and we need to some making excuses for him when he's failing. His criticism in warranted. His ability to read and diagnosis plays since he's been here has not changed. His ability to create yards after contact has not changed. The only thing that has changed from week to week is the amount of excuses we can come up with to deflect from his performance. And if you're going to knock Sproles for averaging 3.6 YPC, please knock Ingram as well. That said if we ran Sproles even at 3.6 YPC, we'd be moving the chains. I hope he turns things around. I hope he turns things around here. But sometimes things just don't work out the way they're intended to... and we need to acknowledge that and stop forcing it. TheOak likes this.
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