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Glad we got the win yesterday. That being said, Brees needs to get his sh** together. When he's on he's arguably the best QB in the league... but when he's off, he makes some of the worst decisions in the league, and I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but I rarely see him get called for it. Yesterday's game was a good example of a trend that has developed over the last couple of years. I could tell from the very beginning of the game that he wasn't sharp, and I could understand that against a tough defense in the rain on the road. What's not understandable IMHO is how his decision-making has gotten questionable. When I used to watch Brees a few years ago, if he was given a good pocket and he stepped up in the pocket and launched one downfield, my gut told me that it was going to be a complete pass. Now when he throws, I've been conditioned to sort of hold my breath to see where he's throwing it. That's come from increasingly bad decisions with the football over the past couple of years, and last night's INTs, especially the second, were a good example. In that spot, a guy making Brees money simply cannot make that error. Thank god for the defense because they bailed him out, but in my mind it still doesn't excuse him from that kind of throw. That being said, he's still one of the top three QBs in the league, but I'm worried about his increasingly high number of bad decisions with the football.

Who Dat!

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We are a rhythm based offense, an hour rain out doesn't help rhythm. Drew had a very bad game, they all do from time to time.

It doesn't help one but when Sean Payton is knocking off rust and running a back trying to give him confidence.

His INTs were inexcusable, but I did notice one thing, he seems to by trying to learn to take a sack. A few times he thought and almost pulled his panicky shovel pass but didn't.

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If I know Drew, he's kicking himself in the head this morning, because he knows he had a bad game. He will work his *** off this week to try to correct it.

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He played a bad game. Pulled it out in the end but it was fortunate at best. Ingram is a mystery to me.

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Games like this makes me want a power back. There will be more games like this.

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He had a bad game but in the end, he pulled it together and marched his team right down the field for the winning score. To me that is more important than the rest of it.

You need to win ugly games. We have a pretty picture in our heads of the 09 season but we won some ugly games early in the season. The Bills and Jets games especially.

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I think Defenses are learning how to play against Brees. Since he's undertall (wont use the "s" word on him) amd since he doesnt run, it's better to just push up the middle, clog up the passing lanes and contain him. I noticed several plays where we rolled him out the pocket. Redskins effectively used a controlled dropback/rollout when Theismann played.

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That is easier said than done.... As far as not being able to run... P. Manning, T. Brady...

Drew was hanging on to the ball. Normally nothing matters to Drew, he can dink and dunk you to death... For some reason he was hesitant last night, a few times we had an open short pass and he didnt take it.

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Brees is getting older, all qbs do. He has lost a step no doubt. He made some bad decisions that contributed to us almost losing. Without Drew though we lose for sure. The play of the line isnt helping. Hes a smart guy and whatever he loses in accuracy, arm strength, etc, he can make up for by playing smart. Hopefully he will start making better decisions.
This being said he is still one of the top qbs in the league and can keep us going as contenders for the next year or two after this one. I think it is time to look for his replacement though.
It is more important than ever now to build that offensive line the best we can.
The loss of Kromer was huge

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The two interceptions yesterday were REAL bad. Normally Drew's interceptions are from throwing into deep coverage, but yesterday they were directly into the breadbasket of defenders with no one else around. That seems to point to a major lack of focus no?

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bucs always have drew number

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Drew was baited twice by the LB acting like he was in man.

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But in the end, he found a way to pull victory out of the jaws of defeat, as all good teams do with a decent QB.

Have you all already forgotten the days when Montana used to do the very same thing to the Saints, even with our good defense under the Dome Patrol?

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I'm not going to quote everyone on this thread because some of the critique is warranted. I think some is premature.

Drew Brees throwing interceptions is nothing new. We've even seen him throw some doozies. None of this is earth shattering when your team throws 85 to 90% of the time.

Why Drew is so important was epitomised in the last drive. Drew Brees rivals Joe Montana and others as the greatest QB's in history for last minute drives. Much like Montana, he seems to thrive in a last minute situation with the game on the line. That is a skill the MAJORITY of QB's in the league do not enjoy and teams fall short on last drives all the time - except for the Saints and Brees.

I'm not saying the last minute drill is an excuse for his INT's yesterday (because the INT direct to the defender was embarrassing) but I'm saying everyone needs to put this game into perspective.

As for his arm strength, we just haven't seen enough passes downfield to justify what you're some are saying. I still see power frozen ropes and touch passes.

As for our o-line and the loss of Kromer, what I saw was a fantastic Bucs defense that was sloppy in errors, but fantastic nonetheless. Give credit where credit is due - Tampa Bay went out into free agency and brought in some hot talent. Nuff said and realize this.

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I've been more concerned about his accuracy lately more than decision making. (Second INT aside. I am still trying to figure that one out.)

It's not that his completion percentage is suffering so much, but it is the ball position relative to the receiver that seems off. It seems like he's not hitting them in stride anymore and they are having to adjust to make the catches. That and all of his deep balls seem under thrown.

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Never understood why people blame the QB on games like this. The O-line played like crap and Ingram would of been more use if he was selling popcorn in the stands. Brees had a bad game. HIs first in YEARS. We won even know he had a bad game. That alone should make you impressed with the rest of the team. This team will go very far this year.

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Interceptions are my biggest pet peeve. Same reason I never liked Favre or Eli.

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The first int. he threw was a play the defensive guy made a great play on the ball, the second one Brees threw a turd.

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Don't get wrapped around the axle on this. Drew had a bad game, the offense as a whole didn't play all that well. It happens and btw TB does have a real good defense, add in the rain delay and voila, the receipe for disaster. We narrowly avoided it. The last minute drive where we didn't use the sidelines to stop the clock completely took TB by surprise. The genius of SP & DB once again on display.

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I said it in another thread. I think that shot he took affected him more than we know. His passes got shorter and less accurate after he took that hit. The long ball seemed like it was non-existant after that...except for the last drive...when it counted most. He'll work hard this week, and he'll pick the Cards apart next weekend.

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and after all that beating he took and the interceptions and poor decisions and uninspired play, he threw this pass:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-UrA1bpMxH9...REESTOCOL1.gif

That is straight nasty, son.

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He throws that route better then any other route. That pass is always pretty, and usually always works. Colston or Graham everytime.

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Yes Sir. The only way it could have been prettier, is if it were in the end zone.
Watch that clip though. He had no pressure and a nice pocket to step up into...something he didn't have the rest of the night.

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A little drew love.....

- He's 35...... That's that when I'm ready, I'm ready age..... Not the same as when you make me wait 1 hour and 15 minutes....

- they spent a billion dollars on defense, and we spent 100 million dollars on him and about 2 dollars and 50 cent on the line in order to protect him.....

- the decisions were bad but he was able to shake them off and get us the win......

- whatever love affair Shawn has for mark Ingram has gotta stop...they teach you to keep pushing the pile in preschool. And he to damn big to be running tapping his feet like Reggie bush.

- Shawn did give drew a stern ass talking to over on the sidelines after that second int if you saw it..... That was more than I saw kromer, or Vitt do last season.... The boss is Shawn people, and he got drew mind right before that last drive.

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About Drew.. (For those that do not like stats this will sting)

Look at his INT alone is like looking at Ingram's total yardage... The real picture is in the break down of TDs, INTs, per Att. I will use 2012 season for my run through

Drew has the second most attempts in 2012. Naturally one should assume he would have second most INTs.

Sort ATT between INT Drew is near Middle of the pack with Brady being the best that year. Drew has an IT every 35.26 attempts.
http://blackandgold.com/attachment.p...7&d=1379353621

Sort ATT between TD Drew is number one with the fewest ATT between TDs. with a TD between every 15.58 Attempts
http://blackandgold.com/attachment.p...6&d=1379353601

Drew's numbers are not as ugly as people make them out to be.. His interceptions are though :)... Gawd he throws them at the most inopportune moment with the largest distance between the ball and a receiver lol...

He is the TD king however and that comes at a price. Ill take a TD king any day.

Do I cut Drew Brees more slack and I cut most players? There is zero delusion here, I do... Mainly because there are about what, 4 people on the earth I could thank for bringing the first Super Bowl to New Orleans? He is one of them. Didnt do it alone but wouldn't have happened with out him.

I saw him do one thing last night twice that made me feel good. He was going down and thought about that damned toss to who ever was close and didn't. He tucked it and took the sack. How many INT's did he have in 2010 because he tried a quick shovel to avoid a sack.. I remember a few, I believe at least 2-3 of them shoveled right into a defenders hands.

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I noticed the same - and I wonder if this is the result of some new faces? I'm just guessing, but Drew doesn't violate that internal clock too often, so seeing that yesterday was definitely strange.

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Good stats. Maybe I'm too hard on him. I'm going to continue to be though. I want another Super Bowl before he retires and we run the risk of the bags coming back out.

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So I guess this week you are going to hate on Geno Smith, and Kaepernick? They both threw more than Drew, and I do believe RG III has 3 same as Drew.


Live by the pet peeve....

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Shhhh dont tell anyone, I actually whipped out excel. You are not too hard on him, just take what he does with a grain of salt because for every screwup he has 5 great plays.

Sit on the street outside my house when Drew throws an INT or shovels it to a defender... You wont even have to roll your window down to hear me.. :)

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I definitely dislike that about Geno Smith, and I had a feeling Kap would get exposed. Just being honest, I much rather have a white QB in the NFL. Except in RG3's case, I believe in him. But I wouldn't trade anybody for Drew. I've grown attached to number 9.

But yeah, heavy picks bother me no matter the QB.

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I was about to ask you where the hell you found a chart like that.

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uhhhh...

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+1. Some posters will never appreciate greatness until it's gone.

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I cant find video because it was an incomplete pass. Did Drew over throw Meachem?

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The coverage brees was dealing with was outstanding. They were blanketing our recievers. Brees made mistakes, but stepped up and made the throws in the end. I better run game would have helped him immensely.

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Sorry,since the big contract he has not played as well.

Call it age or whatever.

Maybe too much time acting like the Mannings & whoring himself for any & all products.

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Did Colston make that grab with one arm? I think he did.

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No, I believe he used both hands.

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I don't think anybody fails to see how great Drew Brees is, today and in the history of the game. My initial post is around the decision making that seems to be getting more Favre-like (I don't feel inaccuracy is an issue with Brees, the rain probably affected him). That second INT was part of a growing trend of Brees making critical turnovers. In that situation, we were in FG range up by six points. A FG would have made it a two-possession game. An incomplete pass would have been a victory there, but an INT for six the other way was a ten-point and momentum swing of epic proportions. We were fortunate that the defense stepped up with a minute left and Lindell missed that kick. I think back over the last couple of years and can remember right off the top of my head some throws that he made that we never saw in his earlier years in NO. Again, as I posted in my initial post, he's a top three QB in the league, but he needs to take better care of the ball.