Goldson suspended for hit on Sproles

rezburna · 09-16-2013, 06:57 PM

Coaches love head hunters. Trust me. All this "culture changing" is new, and isn't necessarily universally wanted by the players or coaches.

TheOak · 09-16-2013, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Coaches love head hunters. Trust me. All this "culture changing" is new, and isn't necessarily universally wanted by the players or coaches.

I was playing ball and knocking jocks in the dirt before your first dirty diaper... Save that crap for your friends. I never went for the head or knees, everything else is defensible.

There are unwritten rules... Like prison, and gangs... There is **** you don't do because its spineless.

rezburna · 09-16-2013, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I was playing ball and knocking jocks in the dirt before your first dirty diaper... Save that crap for your friends. I never went for the head or knees, everything else is defensible.

There are unwritten rules... Like prison, and gangs... There is **** you don't do because its spineless.

IDK who wrote your rule book, but going at the head has been fine up until now. Never heard anybody complain about it. You had some running backs who would get mad when you go low and say hit me up high, but its only when the tackle was made and because they were frustrated they got tackled. So yeah, they have unwritten rules, but those weren't it. We can pull up the film from the players of your time. Those head hunting hits were applauded. They're on highlight reels. How do you feel about Deacon Jones and the way he played, because if I'm not mistaken isn't he in the HOF?

TheOak · 09-17-2013, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

IDK who wrote your rule book, but going at the head has been fine up until now. Never heard anybody complain about it. You had some running backs who would get mad when you go low and say hit me up high, but its only when the tackle was made and because they were frustrated they got tackled. So yeah, they have unwritten rules, but those weren't it. We can pull up the film from the players of your time. Those head hunting hits were applauded. They're on highlight reels. How do you feel about Deacon Jones and the way he played, because if I'm not mistaken isn't he in the HOF?

My rule book and the way I was taught to play the game and tackle is quite simple.

The head and feet can fake you out, the numbers never lie. If the numbers move left HE is moving left, always put your face mask in the numbers, wrap, drive, and try to strip.

It's called fundamental football. Hollywood players like yourself missed a lot of tackles going for the head.... Caused a lot of points in open field situations.

Such a paradox.... The Saints couldn't tackle but we condone aiming for the head.

It's like a one handed pop fly catch... Why, what is the point? You have another hand Hollywood, use it and don't risk dropping the ball. Why risk missing the tackles, go for the numbers.

I don't know or care who you were coached by buy bad form is bad form and it leads to bad injuries.

saintfan · 09-16-2013, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Coaches love head hunters. Trust me. All this "culture changing" is new, and isn't necessarily universally wanted by the players or coaches.

True. Collinsworth went on and on last night after every "big" hit in the Seattle/Whiner game. Roger wants it. The lawyers want it. And I'm not saying that dialing it in a bit is a bad thing really, but i agree with what you're saying.

TheOak · 09-16-2013, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

True. Collinsworth went on and on last night after every "big" hit in the Seattle/Whiner game. Roger wants it. The lawyers want it. And I'm not saying that dialing it in a bit is a bad thing really, but i agree with what you're saying.

Cillinsworth is a douché.

Utah_Saint · 09-16-2013, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Coaches love head hunters. Trust me. All this "culture changing" is new, and isn't necessarily universally wanted by the players or coaches.

It's not new, it's been happening for a hundred years. The game has been evolving since its inception.

When they first put helmets on players people whined that they were changing the game. Then they complained about shoulder pads and face masks, then chop blocks and clipping, roughing the passer and roughing the kicker.

Now we understand that using a helmet as a weapon causes concussions. That's fact.

We know more about concussions now than we did 20 years ago. We didn't understand the damage was cumulative. We understand now that concussions shorten peoples lives. The average life expectancy of a retired NFL player is 62 while the national average is 73. They cause premature dementia. A large percentage of ex-NFL players are "punch drunk" They destroy brains way of processing memories. Ex-NFL players have a much higher rate of Alzheimer's. That's science.

If crippling, maiming and causing permanent brain damage can be reduced, then we'd be fools not to do so.

rezburna · 09-16-2013, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

It's not new, it's been happening for a hundred years. The game has been evolving since its inception.

When they first put helmets on players people whined that they were changing the game. Then they complained about shoulder pads and face masks, then chop blocks and clipping, roughing the passer and roughing the kicker.

Now we understand that using a helmet as a weapon causes concussions. That's fact.

We know more about concussions now than we did 20 years ago. We didn't understand the damage was cumulative. We understand now that concussions shorten peoples lives. The average life expectancy of a retired NFL player is 62 while the national average is 73. They cause premature dementia. A large percentage of ex-NFL players are "punch drunk" They destroy brains way of processing memories. Ex-NFL players have a much higher rate of Alzheimer's. That's science.

If crippling, maiming and causing permanent brain damage can be reduced, then we'd be fools not to do so.

The adding of equipment doesn't equate to changing the rules of the game itself. Especially when all the rules are made to hinder defense. Lets not pretend their trying to protect the players. They're trying to protect themselves. The players didn't ask to be protected. That concussion stuff was wrong on the NFL's part, and doesn't fall under the category of "you know what you got into" like everything else. Nobody knew about concussions and their effect more then the NFL and they hid it. Player safety is a reaction to the lawsuits.

There is no such thing as safe football. People are always going to walk away with relatively unhealthy bodies. My body is unhealthy from it and I avoided most contact. And I'd still play if given the chance. At the end of the day we've got a lot of people, myself included, speaking for the people who are actually on the field.

09-16-2013, 06:57 PM	#1
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,114	Re: Goldson suspended for hit on Sproles Coaches love head hunters. Trust me. All this "culture changing" is new, and isn't necessarily universally wanted by the players or coaches.

09-16-2013, 07:10 PM	#2
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Re: Goldson suspended for hit on Sproles Originally Posted by rezburna Coaches love head hunters. Trust me. All this "culture changing" is new, and isn't necessarily universally wanted by the players or coaches. I was playing ball and knocking jocks in the dirt before your first dirty diaper... Save that crap for your friends. I never went for the head or knees, everything else is defensible. There are unwritten rules... Like prison, and gangs... There is **** you don't do because its spineless.

09-16-2013, 10:15 PM	#3
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,114	Re: Goldson suspended for hit on Sproles Originally Posted by TheOak I was playing ball and knocking jocks in the dirt before your first dirty diaper... Save that crap for your friends. I never went for the head or knees, everything else is defensible. There are unwritten rules... Like prison, and gangs... There is **** you don't do because its spineless. IDK who wrote your rule book, but going at the head has been fine up until now. Never heard anybody complain about it. You had some running backs who would get mad when you go low and say hit me up high, but its only when the tackle was made and because they were frustrated they got tackled. So yeah, they have unwritten rules, but those weren't it. We can pull up the film from the players of your time. Those head hunting hits were applauded. They're on highlight reels. How do you feel about Deacon Jones and the way he played, because if I'm not mistaken isn't he in the HOF?
	"The first need of a free people is to define their own terms.” - Stokely Carmichael

09-17-2013, 10:21 AM	#4
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Re: Goldson suspended for hit on Sproles Originally Posted by rezburna IDK who wrote your rule book, but going at the head has been fine up until now. Never heard anybody complain about it. You had some running backs who would get mad when you go low and say hit me up high, but its only when the tackle was made and because they were frustrated they got tackled. So yeah, they have unwritten rules, but those weren't it. We can pull up the film from the players of your time. Those head hunting hits were applauded. They're on highlight reels. How do you feel about Deacon Jones and the way he played, because if I'm not mistaken isn't he in the HOF? My rule book and the way I was taught to play the game and tackle is quite simple. The head and feet can fake you out, the numbers never lie. If the numbers move left HE is moving left, always put your face mask in the numbers, wrap, drive, and try to strip. It's called fundamental football. Hollywood players like yourself missed a lot of tackles going for the head.... Caused a lot of points in open field situations. Such a paradox.... The Saints couldn't tackle but we condone aiming for the head. It's like a one handed pop fly catch... Why, what is the point? You have another hand Hollywood, use it and don't risk dropping the ball. Why risk missing the tackles, go for the numbers. I don't know or care who you were coached by buy bad form is bad form and it leads to bad injuries. RaginCajun83, \|Mitch\| and lee909 like this.
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09-16-2013, 07:13 PM	#5
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Goldson suspended for hit on Sproles Originally Posted by rezburna Coaches love head hunters. Trust me. All this "culture changing" is new, and isn't necessarily universally wanted by the players or coaches. True. Collinsworth went on and on last night after every "big" hit in the Seattle/Whiner game. Roger wants it. The lawyers want it. And I'm not saying that dialing it in a bit is a bad thing really, but i agree with what you're saying.

09-16-2013, 07:53 PM	#6
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Re: Goldson suspended for hit on Sproles Originally Posted by saintfan True. Collinsworth went on and on last night after every "big" hit in the Seattle/Whiner game. Roger wants it. The lawyers want it. And I'm not saying that dialing it in a bit is a bad thing really, but i agree with what you're saying. Cillinsworth is a douché. onebyone likes this.

09-16-2013, 08:33 PM	#7
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Goldson suspended for hit on Sproles Originally Posted by rezburna Coaches love head hunters. Trust me. All this "culture changing" is new, and isn't necessarily universally wanted by the players or coaches. It's not new, it's been happening for a hundred years. The game has been evolving since its inception. When they first put helmets on players people whined that they were changing the game. Then they complained about shoulder pads and face masks, then chop blocks and clipping, roughing the passer and roughing the kicker. Now we understand that using a helmet as a weapon causes concussions. That's fact. We know more about concussions now than we did 20 years ago. We didn't understand the damage was cumulative. We understand now that concussions shorten peoples lives. The average life expectancy of a retired NFL player is 62 while the national average is 73. They cause premature dementia. A large percentage of ex-NFL players are "punch drunk" They destroy brains way of processing memories. Ex-NFL players have a much higher rate of Alzheimer's. That's science. If crippling, maiming and causing permanent brain damage can be reduced, then we'd be fools not to do so. Crusader likes this.

09-16-2013, 10:10 PM	#8
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,114	Re: Goldson suspended for hit on Sproles Originally Posted by Utah_Saint It's not new, it's been happening for a hundred years. The game has been evolving since its inception. When they first put helmets on players people whined that they were changing the game. Then they complained about shoulder pads and face masks, then chop blocks and clipping, roughing the passer and roughing the kicker. Now we understand that using a helmet as a weapon causes concussions. That's fact. We know more about concussions now than we did 20 years ago. We didn't understand the damage was cumulative. We understand now that concussions shorten peoples lives. The average life expectancy of a retired NFL player is 62 while the national average is 73. They cause premature dementia. A large percentage of ex-NFL players are "punch drunk" They destroy brains way of processing memories. Ex-NFL players have a much higher rate of Alzheimer's. That's science. If crippling, maiming and causing permanent brain damage can be reduced, then we'd be fools not to do so. The adding of equipment doesn't equate to changing the rules of the game itself. Especially when all the rules are made to hinder defense. Lets not pretend their trying to protect the players. They're trying to protect themselves. The players didn't ask to be protected. That concussion stuff was wrong on the NFL's part, and doesn't fall under the category of "you know what you got into" like everything else. Nobody knew about concussions and their effect more then the NFL and they hid it. Player safety is a reaction to the lawsuits. There is no such thing as safe football. People are always going to walk away with relatively unhealthy bodies. My body is unhealthy from it and I avoided most contact. And I'd still play if given the chance. At the end of the day we've got a lot of people, myself included, speaking for the people who are actually on the field.
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