Khiry Robinson runs nasty

Tobias-Reiper · 09-24-2013, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

You guys are vastly overthinking this.

Then you proceed to over-think it yourself.

Garbage time, not garbage time, this doesn't really matter. What really matters is what Robinson did with his limited touches, independent of anything else.

It does matter.
Again, I go to my example:
When a team runs the victory formation at the end of the game and the QB takes a knee, that counts as a running play, and counts as a defensive stop for a 2 yard loss. Is that the same as a 2 yard loss on a goal line stand? I don't think so.

ikecomp · 09-24-2013, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Then you proceed to over-think it yourself.

It does matter.
Again, I go to my example:
When a team runs the victory formation at the end of the game and the QB takes a knee, that counts as a running play, and counts as a defensive stop for a 2 yard loss. Is that the same as a 2 yard loss on a goal line stand? I don't think so.

While I agree it matters the situation he was in, I also believe if that had been ingram he wouldn't have done as well. So ultimately, the point remains that we think Krob is better. Only way to prove it is to give him some touches.

Tobias-Reiper · 09-24-2013, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by ikecomp

While I agree it matters the situation he was in, I also believe if that had been ingram he wouldn't have done as well. So ultimately, the point remains that we think Krob is better. Only way to prove it is to give him some touches.

Who is saying anything about Ingram? Where did I mention Ingram?

ikecomp · 09-26-2013, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Who is saying anything about Ingram? Where did I mention Ingram?

You didn't mention ingram. I did. After all, the whole purpose of lobbying for krob is so that he can get ingram's touches. So it only makes since to mention ingram.

At any rate, this is a pretty simple discussion. From what you've seen of Ingram, do you think he will get better as the year goes on and why? I can tell you right now, if you're relying on the line to suddenly start blocking better you'll be waiting for a while. So assume he'll be running behind the same line all year as you think of your answer.

TheOak · 09-26-2013, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by ikecomp

You didn't mention ingram. I did. After all, the whole purpose of lobbying for krob is so that he can get ingram's touches. So it only makes since to mention ingram.

At any rate, this is a pretty simple discussion. From what you've seen of Ingram, do you think he will get better as the year goes on and why? I can tell you right now, if you're relying on the line to suddenly start blocking better you'll be waiting for a while. So assume he'll be running behind the same line all year as you think of your answer.

No one has any reasons other than

"just you watch"
"he is due"
"I just know"
"yall are haterz"

Ive yet to see an Ingram fan start listing what he is proving to be good at.

Tobias-Reiper · 09-26-2013, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by ikecomp

You didn't mention ingram. I did. After all, the whole purpose of lobbying for krob is so that he can get ingram's touches. So it only makes since to mention ingram.

At any rate, this is a pretty simple discussion. From what you've seen of Ingram, do you think he will get better as the year goes on and why? I can tell you right now, if you're relying on the line to suddenly start blocking better you'll be waiting for a while. So assume he'll be running behind the same line all year as you think of your answer.

And there you go again with Ingram, asking me questions what I think about Ingram. Ingram this, Ingram that... Ingram Ingram Ingram.

My statement was, I am not impressed with Robinson's 4 runs. I explained why. That's it. I don't care what you are lobbying for. If you want to discuss the merits of the 4 Robinson's runs, by all means. If you want to discuss depth charts and who should be getting whose touches, and beat me over the head with Ingram, I don't care, as long as PT and Sproles get their touches.

Jack Vegas · 09-24-2013, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Then you proceed to over-think it yourself.

How so? I am simply showing you what Robinson does that is good; if a baseball player has a really good swing, then he can probably hit home runs off of good pitchers too, not just bad ones. Does Robinson have a good swing? Sure looks like it from what we've seen.

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

It does matter.
Again, I go to my example:
When a team runs the victory formation at the end of the game and the QB takes a knee, that counts as a running play, and counts as a defensive stop for a 2 yard loss. Is that the same as a 2 yard loss on a goal line stand? I don't think so.

This analogy makes less than zero sense. I have re-read this sentence at least five times and I am still like "WTF is he talking about?" The two situations have absolutely nothing in common, except they are both things that take place on a football field.

TheOak · 09-24-2013, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

This analogy makes less than zero sense. I have re-read this sentence at least five times and I am still like "WTF is he talking about?" The two situations have absolutely nothing in common, except they are both things that take place on a football field.

And Shiano doesn't recognize one of them LOL.

Tobias-Reiper · 09-24-2013, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

How so? I am simply showing you what Robinson does that is good; if a baseball player has a really good swing, then he can probably hit home runs off of good pitchers too, not just bad ones. Does Robinson have a good swing? Sure looks like it from what we've seen.

And that's great and all, but if you didn't notice, PT and Sproles did that as well and much more, and couldn't gain a yard the first half. Now going against a defeated, tired defense that's just going through the motions waiting for the game to end, yeah, anyone can look good.

This analogy makes less than zero sense. I have re-read this sentence at least five times and I am still like "WTF is he talking about?" The two situations have absolutely nothing in common, except they are both things that take place on a football field.

Really? Both situations have nothing in common?
Both a 2 yard loss during a goal line stand and a kneel down count as a running play for a 2 yard loss. But the situations are rather different, right? During the goal line stand, especially when the game is tied or close, the defense is trying their hardest to stop the TD; during the victory formation, the defense stands up and touches the guys in front of them.

Do you see it now?

Just like you wouldn't give the same credit to a defense for stopping the run during a victory formation, I don't give credit to a RB who comes in after the fight, against a defense that's defeated, tired, and just wants to see the clock hit 00:00 so they can take a shower and go home.

Jack Vegas · 09-25-2013, 06:06 AM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Just like you wouldn't give the same credit to a defense for stopping the run during a victory formation, I don't give credit to a RB who comes in after the fight, against a defense that's defeated, tired, and just wants to see the clock hit 00:00 so they can take a shower and go home.

And this is why I specifically pointed out carries 1 and 4 (Q4, 4:26 and Q4, 2:14).

These were both situations where the defense had all the gaps covered and the flow of the play was stopped, yet Robinson made something out of it anyway. Those plays had nothing to do with the defense being tired.

If Robinson had simply run through a couple of weak arm tackles, I might agree with you. But those plays were about his instincts and ability to find a hole that didn't exist relative to the original play call.

Originally Posted by dueceloose

He reminds me a lot of PT the way he puts his hand down and cuts.

He reminds me of both PT and Ivory in different ways. PT for the way he kind of shimmies his way around a tackle to get a couple of extra yards, same way Deuce used to do it too. And Ivory for the way he gets going so fast. Two steps and he's at full speed before he even hits the line.

I think the kid has the total package. The two big questions are, can he stay healthy, and can he block? Those are the two things that kept Ivory from becoming a much bigger part of the offense than he ended up being.

09-24-2013, 11:25 AM	#1
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Khiry Robinson runs nasty Originally Posted by Jack Vegas You guys are vastly overthinking this. Then you proceed to over-think it yourself. Garbage time, not garbage time, this doesn't really matter. What really matters is what Robinson did with his limited touches, independent of anything else. It does matter. Again, I go to my example: When a team runs the victory formation at the end of the game and the QB takes a knee, that counts as a running play, and counts as a defensive stop for a 2 yard loss. Is that the same as a 2 yard loss on a goal line stand? I don't think so. Danno likes this.

09-24-2013, 11:36 AM	#2
ikecomp 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 329	Re: Khiry Robinson runs nasty Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Then you proceed to over-think it yourself. It does matter. Again, I go to my example: When a team runs the victory formation at the end of the game and the QB takes a knee, that counts as a running play, and counts as a defensive stop for a 2 yard loss. Is that the same as a 2 yard loss on a goal line stand? I don't think so. While I agree it matters the situation he was in, I also believe if that had been ingram he wouldn't have done as well. So ultimately, the point remains that we think Krob is better. Only way to prove it is to give him some touches.
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09-24-2013, 05:22 PM	#3
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Khiry Robinson runs nasty Originally Posted by ikecomp While I agree it matters the situation he was in, I also believe if that had been ingram he wouldn't have done as well. So ultimately, the point remains that we think Krob is better. Only way to prove it is to give him some touches. Who is saying anything about Ingram? Where did I mention Ingram?

09-26-2013, 10:53 AM	#4
ikecomp 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 329	Re: Khiry Robinson runs nasty Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Who is saying anything about Ingram? Where did I mention Ingram? You didn't mention ingram. I did. After all, the whole purpose of lobbying for krob is so that he can get ingram's touches. So it only makes since to mention ingram. At any rate, this is a pretty simple discussion. From what you've seen of Ingram, do you think he will get better as the year goes on and why? I can tell you right now, if you're relying on the line to suddenly start blocking better you'll be waiting for a while. So assume he'll be running behind the same line all year as you think of your answer.
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09-26-2013, 11:05 AM	#5
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,055	Re: Khiry Robinson runs nasty Originally Posted by ikecomp You didn't mention ingram. I did. After all, the whole purpose of lobbying for krob is so that he can get ingram's touches. So it only makes since to mention ingram. At any rate, this is a pretty simple discussion. From what you've seen of Ingram, do you think he will get better as the year goes on and why? I can tell you right now, if you're relying on the line to suddenly start blocking better you'll be waiting for a while. So assume he'll be running behind the same line all year as you think of your answer. No one has any reasons other than "just you watch" "he is due" "I just know" "yall are haterz" Ive yet to see an Ingram fan start listing what he is proving to be good at.

09-26-2013, 01:44 PM	#6
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Khiry Robinson runs nasty Originally Posted by ikecomp You didn't mention ingram. I did. After all, the whole purpose of lobbying for krob is so that he can get ingram's touches. So it only makes since to mention ingram. At any rate, this is a pretty simple discussion. From what you've seen of Ingram, do you think he will get better as the year goes on and why? I can tell you right now, if you're relying on the line to suddenly start blocking better you'll be waiting for a while. So assume he'll be running behind the same line all year as you think of your answer. And there you go again with Ingram, asking me questions what I think about Ingram. Ingram this, Ingram that... Ingram Ingram Ingram. My statement was, I am not impressed with Robinson's 4 runs. I explained why. That's it. I don't care what you are lobbying for. If you want to discuss the merits of the 4 Robinson's runs, by all means. If you want to discuss depth charts and who should be getting whose touches, and beat me over the head with Ingram, I don't care, as long as PT and Sproles get their touches.
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09-24-2013, 12:07 PM	#7
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Khiry Robinson runs nasty Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Then you proceed to over-think it yourself. How so? I am simply showing you what Robinson does that is good; if a baseball player has a really good swing, then he can probably hit home runs off of good pitchers too, not just bad ones. Does Robinson have a good swing? Sure looks like it from what we've seen. Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper It does matter. Again, I go to my example: When a team runs the victory formation at the end of the game and the QB takes a knee, that counts as a running play, and counts as a defensive stop for a 2 yard loss. Is that the same as a 2 yard loss on a goal line stand? I don't think so. This analogy makes less than zero sense. I have re-read this sentence at least five times and I am still like "WTF is he talking about?" The two situations have absolutely nothing in common, except they are both things that take place on a football field.
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09-24-2013, 12:32 PM	#8
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,055	Re: Khiry Robinson runs nasty Originally Posted by Jack Vegas This analogy makes less than zero sense. I have re-read this sentence at least five times and I am still like "WTF is he talking about?" The two situations have absolutely nothing in common, except they are both things that take place on a football field. And Shiano doesn't recognize one of them LOL.

09-24-2013, 05:51 PM	#9
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Khiry Robinson runs nasty Originally Posted by Jack Vegas How so? I am simply showing you what Robinson does that is good; if a baseball player has a really good swing, then he can probably hit home runs off of good pitchers too, not just bad ones. Does Robinson have a good swing? Sure looks like it from what we've seen. And that's great and all, but if you didn't notice, PT and Sproles did that as well and much more, and couldn't gain a yard the first half. Now going against a defeated, tired defense that's just going through the motions waiting for the game to end, yeah, anyone can look good. This analogy makes less than zero sense. I have re-read this sentence at least five times and I am still like "WTF is he talking about?" The two situations have absolutely nothing in common, except they are both things that take place on a football field. Really? Both situations have nothing in common? Both a 2 yard loss during a goal line stand and a kneel down count as a running play for a 2 yard loss. But the situations are rather different, right? During the goal line stand, especially when the game is tied or close, the defense is trying their hardest to stop the TD; during the victory formation, the defense stands up and touches the guys in front of them. Do you see it now? Just like you wouldn't give the same credit to a defense for stopping the run during a victory formation, I don't give credit to a RB who comes in after the fight, against a defense that's defeated, tired, and just wants to see the clock hit 00:00 so they can take a shower and go home.
	'Cause the simple man pays the thrills, the bills and the pills that kill

09-25-2013, 06:06 AM	#10
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Khiry Robinson runs nasty Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Just like you wouldn't give the same credit to a defense for stopping the run during a victory formation, I don't give credit to a RB who comes in after the fight, against a defense that's defeated, tired, and just wants to see the clock hit 00:00 so they can take a shower and go home. And this is why I specifically pointed out carries 1 and 4 (Q4, 4:26 and Q4, 2:14). These were both situations where the defense had all the gaps covered and the flow of the play was stopped, yet Robinson made something out of it anyway. Those plays had nothing to do with the defense being tired. If Robinson had simply run through a couple of weak arm tackles, I might agree with you. But those plays were about his instincts and ability to find a hole that didn't exist relative to the original play call. Originally Posted by dueceloose He reminds me a lot of PT the way he puts his hand down and cuts. He reminds me of both PT and Ivory in different ways. PT for the way he kind of shimmies his way around a tackle to get a couple of extra yards, same way Deuce used to do it too. And Ivory for the way he gets going so fast. Two steps and he's at full speed before he even hits the line. I think the kid has the total package. The two big questions are, can he stay healthy, and can he block? Those are the two things that kept Ivory from becoming a much bigger part of the offense than he ended up being.
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