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Anybody remember the "it" argument from last year. Certain members of this board argued that "it" was an important factor, others said that there is no such thing as "it". Well, you decide:

http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3059636?GT1=5377

Whatever 'It' is, Brady has 'It'
Paul Attner / Sporting News



A couple of quotes I found interesting:

Seems like some of us have made this exact argument in the past. I guess you know when It isn't there too. ;)


So how does AB rank? I know BMG, 08, and Gator will laugh when they see this. Here we have argued that AB has physical gifts for years, but is short on 1) intangibles, 2) decision-making, and 3) throws laser-shots when he should use touch. We've been blasted. Agree or disagree with the assesssment of AB, at least we were right on concerning what's important... unless of course you want to disagree with the Patties staff about that.

I can't wait for the standard agenda post. In 5... 4... 3... 2...

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\"IT\" is an agenda Whodat. You have it too? LMAO

How far do we think \"it\" will take Delhomme and the panthers this year? \"it\" hasn\'t done much for \'em yet. How many INT\'s has Jake thrown so far this year? Since he clearly has \"it\" is it safe to assume those INT\'s are the result of bad luck? Oh wait, there no such thing, so I guess it must be his decision making.

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Good job, and right on que. Expert use of agenda and a nice skirt and twist of the issue.

Let\'s try it this way oh wise one. On a scale of 1-10, how would you rate AB in the following categories and why?

1. leadership
2. poise
3. judgment
4. competitiveness
5. knowledge of game
6. work ethic
7. decision-making
8. ability to read coverages
9. touch
10. accuracy

Come on Saintfan - show me that AB ranks well in those categories. I didn\'t right the article, but it does make a point that many of us have made time and again.

My bet - you don\'t directly answer any one of those and fall back on your, nuh uh b/c you have an agenda argument. Transparent...

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What is it with you and polls? Isn\'t it sufficient to say that \"it\" really doesn\'t matter if you can\'t block, don\'t have a running game, and your defense can\'t stop anybody? Again, this has been my whole point...for YEARS...and you STILL don\'t get it. I\'m starting to think you\'re slow...I already know you have an agenda. ;)

Funny how you ALWAYS fall back on bashing Brooks. The point I\'m trying to make is much was made by you and 08 and Gator, etc about this \"it\" thing, but \"it\" matters very little when you having nothing to go with \"it\" huh? Don\'t take my word. Looks at the Panthers for your answer. ;)

1. 8
2. 8
3. 8
4. 10
5. 9
6. 10
7. 8
8. 8
9, 7
10. 7

Above average for your self-proclaimed Pro-Bowler I\'d say, but then how do we qualify these numbers? We can\'t can we? Your rankings will further expose your agenda. Or rather will it expose your general wishy washyness? How would YOU rate Mr. Brooks? Careful...the moonshiners are watching. ;)

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1. leadership - 4
2. poise - 3
3. judgment - 3
4. competitiveness - 3
5. knowledge of game - 1
6. work ethic - 3
7. decision-making - 2
8. ability to read coverages - 2
9. touch - 0
10. accuracy - 4

Anybody else care to chime in? Apparently, according to Saintfan, the Saints have no talent to go with AB\'s Pro Bowl skills. No line, no RB, no WRs, no TEs... all the talent on this team must be on the 31st ranked defense side of the ball. LMAO!!

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You lie. Simply put. I challenge you, RIGHT NOW, to find an instance where I said Brooks would be a pro bowl QB. I know right where to find where YOU said that tho. spin spin spin...as usual.

Our line simply doesn\'t \"excel\" no matter how you spin it.

Our RB has 4 fumbles (3 lost), one returned for a TD so far. THAT one cost us last Sunday\'s game.

Our WR\'s drop catchable passes. Period. You disagree?

Our TE\'s don\'t block very well a\'tall and have the dropsies just like our WR\'s do.

Does ANY of this give Brooks a pass on mistakes. No. Does ALL of this point to your agenda. Yup. Why else would you be so focused on Brooks? CLEARLY. LMAO

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I\'m a bit curious to know why you\'d rate Brooks so low after having said he\'s a pro-bowl QB. Fippity Flop, flippity flop...etc, etc.

Maybe this is all bout the \"it\" thing and Jakes 1-3 record. hmmmmm...

:rollinglaugh:

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1. leadership - 4
2. poise - 7
3. judgment - 6
4. competitiveness - 7
5. knowledge of game - 5
6. work ethic - 8
7. decision-making - 7
8. ability to read coverages - 2
9. touch - 3
10. accuracy - 8

I believe this would be accurate.

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1. leadership - 5
2. poise - 6
3. judgment - 5
4. competitiveness - 7
5. knowledge of game - 4
6. work ethic - 8 I think he is always conditioned well, I\'m not very confident about his ability to break down film, but then I\'m not there.
7. decision-making - 4 Running out of bounds when we\'re trying to kill the clock hurts him here.
8. ability to read coverages - 2
9. touch - 1
10. accuracy - on timed routes - 4, if WR\'s have time to separate - 8

I\'d add
11. Ability to work with the O-line - 2 (by this I mean not backing out of the protection)
12. Sandlot play - 9

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1. leadership-5
2. poise-7
3. judgement-7
4. competitiveness-8
5. knowledge of game-6
6. work ethic-8
7. decision making-7
8. ability to read coverages-5
9. touch-4
10. accuracy-8

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Definitive \"It\", I like it.

1. leadership-6
2. poise-5 (when sandlot play works when your trailing in the 4th, it is not poise)
3. judgement-6
4. competitiveness-7
5. knowledge of game-3
6. work ethic-9 (he makes all the meetings and he takes care of himself)
7. decision making-4
8. ability to read coverages-2
9. touch-3
10. accuracy-4 (he is always in the area, but rarely right on target)

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And so far, the average versus Whodat for each ranking is: [Drum Roll]

AVERAGE____ Whodat
1.) 5.3 ______ 1.) 4
2.) 4.8 ______ 2.) 3
3.) 5.8 ______ 3.) 3
4.) 7.0 ______ 4.) 3
5.) 4.6 ______ 5.) 1
6.) 7.6 ______ 6.) 3
7.) 5.3 ______ 7.) 2
8.) 3.5 ______ 8.) 2
9.) 3.0 ______ 9.) 0
10.) 5.8 ______ 10.) 4

And so -- so far -- my theory holds true. Whodat judges Aaron Brooks more harshly than not only me, but generaly everybody.

Thanks Whodat, for the little poll. In this case it appears the numbers (and me) don\'t lie. LMAO

:doh:

:soleil:

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Uh, Saintfan. I hate to point out that the emporer has no clothes but you didn\'t give a score lower than a 7. I\'m not sure that your scores absolve you of showing any unreasonable pro Erin Brooks bias. It also seems that your numbers hardly put you in the mainstream of opinion on Brooks. If anything, your numbers and WhoDat\'s numbers both work to skew the results.

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This is hardly the point. I\'m accused of favoring Brooks to the Nth degree. Whodat attempt here (whethre he denies it or not) was to discredit my opinion. My argument has always been that he is a harsh -- dare I say too harsh -- critic of Brooks. The numbers for his little poll show that don\'t they? ;)

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I think the issue is whether this player can adjust and adapt when not getting adequate direction from the coordinators. The best in the league co-craft strategies with the coaching staff, and have ample room and charter to improvise. The preparation for an opponent is reflected in the observed patience and purposeful adaptation to that opponent. This discussion thread hinges on the marriage of the player and the system. If neither are engaged to their fullest, we see the abject horror of losing to the equivalent of mediocre college teams (az & tb).

1. leadership - 2 - How many first quarter drives end up in scores?
2. poise - 3 - Deteriorating pocket usually results in ball on carpet
3. judgment - 4 - Should run more to open up underneath routes and crosses
4. competitiveness - 6 - He has a lot of comebacks, but is this trip necessary?
5. knowledge of game - 2 - what kind of help is he getting from the coordinators?
6. work ethic - 7 - He tries hard
7. decision-making - 4 - How is this different from judgment?
8. ability to read coverages - 5 - No better or worse given his protection
9. touch - 3 - I think it\'s impossible for him to run a screen play
10. accuracy - 4 - hits a still receiver with the best, almost always forces our receivers to reach behind their routes

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Ummm, so the point is to attack WhoDat?

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Look BMG, you can defend Whodat \'til it hurts, but it\'s CLEAR you haven\'t done your homework. Whodat brought Brooks into this thread, not me, or hadn\'t you noticed? He claimes he\'s fair in his assesment of Brooks. I disagree. The little \"poll\" was his idea, and it backfired. If you see pointing that out as an \"attack\" then I guess I\'m just not quite sure what it is you\'re lookin at.

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I don\'t think I\'m defending WhoDat. (nice use of CLEAR by the way :rockon:. Contrary to what people say you can be really funny). I think what the little poll shows is that you and WhoDat are on opposite sides of the spectrum. (Interestingly enough I\'m somewhere in the middle, closer to the WhoDat side, but definately in the middle). I\'m not sure it shows an agenda, just polar opposite takes.

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Oh, we\'re on opposite sides for sure, and I\'m fine with that, but I\'m not trying to draw a line in the sand and polarize the board. I\'m simply saying he\'s harder on Brooks than most. He denies this. He says he\'s fair. He\'s entitled to his opinion, but then so am I and so are you. I think his little \"poll\" shows he\'s harder than most. He picked the categories and the 1-10 ranking system. I just averaged up the scores and made a comparison. This isn\'t an \"attack\" on Whodat. If JOESAM had done the averaging would it have been an attack then?

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I like you both but ya\'ll ain\'t getting me into this. :sulkoff:

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If this were true there would be no problem. I disagree with people on this board all the time. I have no problem admitting that I am harsh on Brooks. He deserves it. So does Haslett.

But the issue here is not whether or not AB is a good QB - I\'ve told you that I think he is, though not as good as you think. This isn\'t about Haslett being a bad coach - which everyone here seems to know but you. If we simply disagreed it would be one thing, but we don\'t simply disagree. You\'ve been claiming that I have a hidden agenda for years - you attack people not arguments. When I return some of your own medicine, WWIII breaks out. Interesting, don\'t you think?

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That\'s putting it mildly .... ;)

The man who\'s night time prayer starts

Now I lay me down to Sleep
I hope that Brooks is here for keeps
If I should die before I wake
A picture of Brooks I hope to take .....

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Hey Whodat...see that \"pesonal\" attack right there by 08.

Better call him down but quick!

LMAO

{Editor\'s Note: I wonder if he gets it yet?}

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Man O Man. Once again I\'ll simply say this \"Medicine\" you speak of...umm...you\'ve been dishing it out for years. Now, all of a sudden, you wanna act offended. You don\'t want me posting in threads (using my \"style\" of course) you participate in according to your recent whine yesterday, but you jump right in to two that I started and use your standard sarcastic rhetoric. What\'s sad is that you eithre (a) don\'t see the hypocracy or (b) don\'t care.

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WhoDat --

Man, what are you trying to say. Sounds like you\'re nit-picking to me.

You like to find a MINOR problem and make it sound like the MAIN problem.

If you have cancer --- you don\'t worry too much about a pimple on your face. Now, you point to the pimple and say it doesn\'t look very nice and it\'s a little bothersome. But, the cancer is going to kill your azz if you don\'t do something about it.

Let me ask you something, WhoDat???


HOW MANY WINS WOULD WE HAVE IF JAKE DELHOMME WAS OUR QB?

I think we would be 0-5.

I\'ve tried to tell you it\'s hard to win with NO defense. Damn near impossible.

I\'ll be waitng for your answer... ;)

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HOW MANY WINS WOULD WE HAVE IF JAKE DELHOMME WAS OUR QB?

Couldn\'t say. Neither could you. I would estimate we would be 2-3.

This gets to the root of my post in response to your thread. I suggest you read that.

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So then we\'re no better off if we have \"it\" at QB? Hmmm...I always thought you said we would be. ;)

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Rather have \"IT \" at quarterback .

Rather than Some Hope of \"IT\"

That\'s more like \"S*IT\" then \"IT\"...... ;)

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What happend to \"IT\".

Several things to consider; our coaches do not have IT, some players don\'t have IT, and for sure the owner don\'t have IT.

As far as fans go, we get IT every weekend (except of course on our bye week)!

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I\'m sorry, I get IT every night ;)

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I like IT, but dont think I get IT enough.

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Does he treat you nice? LOL ;)

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Hey, she might have a mustache, but she\'s still your sister. :P

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Moderator note :

We are gonna need a link to prove this otherwise it is propaganda .... ;)

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LMFAO.

:notworthy:

Still the king sir, still the king.