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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; It is not the same personnel Our offense is not what I would call having anyone's back this year Its a combination of personnel, some draft picks coming into their own, and Rob and playing to strengths. This year 2013 ...

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Old 09-30-2013, 12:45 PM   #1
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Re: Saints talk, Defensive Line. Why the sudden turnaround?

It is not the same personnel
Our offense is not what I would call having anyone's back this year

Its a combination of personnel, some draft picks coming into their own, and Rob and playing to strengths.

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Re: Saints talk, Defensive Line. Why the sudden turnaround?

Jordan was here last year but was basically playing out of position.

Hicks Walker and Foster are all beasts who either weren't here last year or weren't ready. It's a whole new line really. Bunkley and Johnson are good vets who will only make us better when we get them back.
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It's called no-nonsense FEAR, Ryan is crazy !!!
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3-3-5 like I said a month ago ... Gruden agrees
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You can see opposing QB's early on thinking, damn, I'm going to get nailed at some point. There is no time to go through their progressions. You either dump it or run it. All the QB's have said the same thing.
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Re: Saints talk, Defensive Line. Why the sudden turnaround?

The talent level on the line is a lot higher than what it has been in quite a while. Jordan is a stud an Galette is becoming one fast. Jenkins at NT seems like a really good pick. That tackle he made on the 3rd down early in the game to force them to kick was huge. Hicks was a great talent that just nobody knew about.
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Re: Saints talk, Defensive Line. Why the sudden turnaround?

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Question I been asking since seeing so much pressure up front, I have to ask..........where did this stellar play come from? We never seen such play in over 10 years from that unit.
Ok i am going to admit i was wrong here. the biggest reason for the improved play is Bunkley getting hurt and knocked out of the rotation. John Jenkins has given the saints what they have missed for years. A solid DT to plug up the middle and push the pocket. I was not happy with the pick and in my wildest dreams didn't i see this coming. the kid has a motor after all. i eat my crow last week on this one. but i still wish we would have addressed the OL some how. he is playing like a seasoned pro


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Could Rob Ryan be a top tier coordinator all along?
hold your horses there he has done a solid job handling the injury bug with the player he kept

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Could it be the addition of Keenan Lewis to pair with Jabari Greer?
Solid move by the saints. It is obvious that Robinson is not the answer. You can blame his play if you want ot blame the injury bug year after year. But the two together is not good. At this point i have White as our best option to date to replace Greer when the time comes. This is an area that saints need to keep an eye on

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Apparently Rob Ryan is doing something Gregg Williams, Gary Gibbs, or Spags could not do.
no not really well except Spags. He is doing what Williams did. Nothing really shocking. he is benefiting from that learning curve. core of the defense is still the same as when Williams coached

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It ask more questions than answers.

Perhaps its the reason why Sean Payton has kept the players we wanted gone for so long? After last year and partially during the Gregg Williams era, we wanted so many guys gone. Biggest culprit was Harper, and then Malcom Jenkins was beginning to blow goats as well.

But now perhaps we finally got a competent coordinator? Could that be why all these 1st rd picks are beginning to really pan out? As well as guys we knew who had potential is now playing up to that potential?

You know I figured our defense would be improved, it couldn't possibly get worse, but to go from last in the NFL to 5th..........that's one hell of a turnaround no one expected.

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But why is it coming together now with the same guys we had before?
ok we are doing a hell of a lot more 43 than people may think first of so climbing on the 34 band wagon maybe a little much. So far all i have seen is much the same style of defense Williams ran. BUT Roy Boy does have more athletic youth on defense than Williams had.

Williams was going through the building phase of the offense. Now the past three years has been defense and we are seeing the gains. But we are seeing the effect it has had on the offense also. it is much the same ol same.

in so many words it the fact the defense is gelling finally after so many years and not so much a change in philosophy as just simple growth as a unit.

Funny how one year of a defense Spag'ing out makes everyone forget the previous years. This unit was not bad just needed time to grow and get some good youth added to it. It could have done without Spag Bump but in a weird way it did teach the basic fundamentals of defense to the unit. Gap responsibility has been the biggest improvement in my book and that i give credit to Spags coaching.

Amazing what 3 years of off seasons can do for a defense.

in adding players
Williams last year was solid
Spags despite himself did a solid job
Roy Boy also did a solid job

Change in philosophy?
nope all i see is we skipped a year and are back to doing what we did before. Attack the offense. That is what makes defense fun from the school yard to the pro's

Are we done building?
not by a long shot but we may have to turn back to offense in the 2013 off season. If the OL can not get its act together players will needed to be added. so the defense will get some seasoning added to it and it appears the offense will get the main coarse.

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Re: Saints talk, Defensive Line. Why the sudden turnaround?

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Ok i am going to admit i was wrong here. the biggest reason for the improved play is Bunkley getting hurt and knocked out of the rotation.
Hagan, gotta disagree...

Bunkley wasn't the problem on the defensive line...

Sedrick Ellis, Will Smith were the biggest problems on the defensive line...

In fact, I'd argue that if Bunkley can return we'll see a marked improvement over what we already have as the defensive line will have another soldier to help the rotation stay fresher longer through four quarters...

And with Cam Jordan lined up in his familiar collegiate gap assignment, he's flourished...

But you're right that the injuries have forced the hand of very stubborn coaches to play younger players; a higher power is trying to show these coaches that younger players on defense increases the likelihood to win games...

And sharing the workload is smarter because the salary demand, comittment of a rotation player isn't as high...

Also, you're able to weather injuries when you have a multitude of rotational players rather than a couple of uber salary players who, when injured, costs wins...
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Re: Saints talk, Defensive Line. Why the sudden turnaround?

Originally Posted by jeanpierre View Post
Hagan, gotta disagree...

Bunkley wasn't the problem on the defensive line...

Sedrick Ellis, Will Smith were the biggest problems on the defensive line...

In fact, I'd argue that if Bunkley can return we'll see a marked improvement over what we already have as the defensive line will have another soldier to help the rotation stay fresher longer through four quarters...

And with Cam Jordan lined up in his familiar collegiate gap assignment, he's flourished...

But you're right that the injuries have forced the hand of very stubborn coaches to play younger players; a higher power is trying to show these coaches that younger players on defense increases the likelihood to win games...

And sharing the workload is smarter because the salary demand, comittment of a rotation player isn't as high...

Also, you're able to weather injuries when you have a multitude of rotational players rather than a couple of uber salary players who, when injured, costs wins...
No he was not the problem but he was not the solution either.
Jenkins as of now appears to be a better solution than Bunkley in my book.
Bunkley has done nothing since signing with the saints to change my mind about his play. Granted he did not get the chance this year i was willing to give him but what i have seen in Jenkins play so far makes me wish this was his finally year of that contract.

oh well lets see what happens till that contract runs out. lmao the nasty contract year play will rear it's ugly head. i hope not but thats what i am expecting till then i see him as a great back up to Jenkins till he proves his worth in my book

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Re: Saints talk, Defensive Line. Why the sudden turnaround?

Chris ivory for John Jenkins is looking like a real good trade for draft pick right about now

John jenkins in this rotation could be a very good player
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