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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by Vrillon82 Question I been asking since seeing so much pressure up front, I have to ask..........where did this stellar play come from? We never seen such play in over 10 years from that unit. Ok i am ...

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Old 10-01-2013, 03:18 AM   #17
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Re: Saints talk, Defensive Line. Why the sudden turnaround?

Originally Posted by Vrillon82 View Post
Question I been asking since seeing so much pressure up front, I have to ask..........where did this stellar play come from? We never seen such play in over 10 years from that unit.
Ok i am going to admit i was wrong here. the biggest reason for the improved play is Bunkley getting hurt and knocked out of the rotation. John Jenkins has given the saints what they have missed for years. A solid DT to plug up the middle and push the pocket. I was not happy with the pick and in my wildest dreams didn't i see this coming. the kid has a motor after all. i eat my crow last week on this one. but i still wish we would have addressed the OL some how. he is playing like a seasoned pro


Originally Posted by Vrillon82 View Post
Could Rob Ryan be a top tier coordinator all along?
hold your horses there he has done a solid job handling the injury bug with the player he kept

Originally Posted by Vrillon82 View Post
Could it be the addition of Keenan Lewis to pair with Jabari Greer?
Solid move by the saints. It is obvious that Robinson is not the answer. You can blame his play if you want ot blame the injury bug year after year. But the two together is not good. At this point i have White as our best option to date to replace Greer when the time comes. This is an area that saints need to keep an eye on

Originally Posted by Vrillon82 View Post
Apparently Rob Ryan is doing something Gregg Williams, Gary Gibbs, or Spags could not do.
no not really well except Spags. He is doing what Williams did. Nothing really shocking. he is benefiting from that learning curve. core of the defense is still the same as when Williams coached

Originally Posted by Vrillon82 View Post
It ask more questions than answers.

Perhaps its the reason why Sean Payton has kept the players we wanted gone for so long? After last year and partially during the Gregg Williams era, we wanted so many guys gone. Biggest culprit was Harper, and then Malcom Jenkins was beginning to blow goats as well.

But now perhaps we finally got a competent coordinator? Could that be why all these 1st rd picks are beginning to really pan out? As well as guys we knew who had potential is now playing up to that potential?

You know I figured our defense would be improved, it couldn't possibly get worse, but to go from last in the NFL to 5th..........that's one hell of a turnaround no one expected.

Thoughts?
Originally Posted by Vrillon82 View Post
But why is it coming together now with the same guys we had before?
ok we are doing a hell of a lot more 43 than people may think first of so climbing on the 34 band wagon maybe a little much. So far all i have seen is much the same style of defense Williams ran. BUT Roy Boy does have more athletic youth on defense than Williams had.

Williams was going through the building phase of the offense. Now the past three years has been defense and we are seeing the gains. But we are seeing the effect it has had on the offense also. it is much the same ol same.

in so many words it the fact the defense is gelling finally after so many years and not so much a change in philosophy as just simple growth as a unit.

Funny how one year of a defense Spag'ing out makes everyone forget the previous years. This unit was not bad just needed time to grow and get some good youth added to it. It could have done without Spag Bump but in a weird way it did teach the basic fundamentals of defense to the unit. Gap responsibility has been the biggest improvement in my book and that i give credit to Spags coaching.

Amazing what 3 years of off seasons can do for a defense.

in adding players
Williams last year was solid
Spags despite himself did a solid job
Roy Boy also did a solid job

Change in philosophy?
nope all i see is we skipped a year and are back to doing what we did before. Attack the offense. That is what makes defense fun from the school yard to the pro's

Are we done building?
not by a long shot but we may have to turn back to offense in the 2013 off season. If the OL can not get its act together players will needed to be added. so the defense will get some seasoning added to it and it appears the offense will get the main coarse.

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