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Graham and Sproles. Occasionally Colston. That's all our offense is this year. A great defense like Seattle's heck even Tampa Bay's with Revis and Goldson can cause significant problems for us offensively and has.

I misread Brees , I thought his arm was losing juice turns out nobody's open ! The last time someone was open was Meach over the top which Brees placed beautifully.

The heavy utilization of Sproles in the pass game is a telling sign that nobody is open as Sproles the check down.

I'm not saying we need to do anything crazy as I am in love with stills but one has to ponder what Brees could do with a Fitzgerald , megaton or Julio Jones.


I think it's time we gave Brees a real threat.

Marquise Lee is the highest decorated receiver since AJ green and Julio Jones ... We both know how those turned out.

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Jones was seen limping out of the x-ray room last night.. let him go..

We have a #1 WR, Jimmy Graham.

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And well have to pay handsomely for that too ..

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A great defense is going to cause problems for anyone no matter what. That is what makes them "great".

The heavy utilization of Sproles in the passing game is our running game.
I said this back in 2006-07 about the way Reggie was used, when people were complaining Reggie wasn't getting rushing yards; how Payton uses Sproles is no different in that regard. Back then, in debating Reggie, I came up with a couple of interesting numbers, such as half of the passes caught by Reggie were behind the line of scrimmage, 45% were caught within 5 yards of the LoS, and something ridiculous like 90% of Reggie's passing yards were after the catch.

As for a #1 WR, again, don't get too hung up on position labels with Payton either. I don't know what Brees could do with Fitzgerald, Jones, or Megatron. I do know that with Colston, Brees has thrown for more yards than anyone since coming to NO, got a SB ring, has passed for 5,000 yards 3 times, and broken numerous passing records. Frankly, I'd ask the question the other way around.

Yes, the Saints may have to pay handsomely for Jimmy... just like the Cardinals are paying handsomely for Fitzgerald, the Lions are paying handsomely for Megatron, and the Clowns are going to pay handsomely for Julio.

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What do you think the cost of julio Jones would be coming off of his rookie contract?

How do you get Megatron with a 150M contract that doesn't end until 2020? Or a Fitzgerald with a 126M contract that doesn't end until 2019? Grahams contract will get no where near those two.

Everyone complains about Brees contract, but compared to those two he is 26-50 million cheaper and a hell of a lot more productive.

Thus far Jimmy Graham is out playing everyone you have listed or can list.

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Plus, if you build your offense centered completely around a single "True #1" guy like Megatron, what happens when he goes down and is out of the lineup? Your offensive productivity goes from 40 points to 9 points in ONE WEEK.

I don't want the Saints to emulate what other teams do, or copy the way other GM's and coaches approach the game. I want the Saints and Payton to keep doing what they are doing, which is to be cutting edge, innovative, different and BETTER. Traditional #1, #2, #3 receiver is not our style. Even a guy like Jed Collins can get in on the action with Brees and the Saints, and there's no question from Sunday that it worked, and kept Chicago on their heels. Jed Collins!

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Why ?

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I ws thinking this exact thing over the weekend. Our "rushing" is just in another form...screens and short throws. Who cares how we get it if we get it? All this clamoring for more pure rushing is annoying and aggrevating.

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We're 5 - 0 I think they know what their doing. In Loomis and Payton I Trust.

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A true #1 receiver in Payton's system still may not be a #1 due to all the weapons. And teams will most likely take that receiver away.

Colston is the leader in receptions for us.. Is that not the mark of a #1 receiver?

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In the Brees/Payton offense, there is a true #1 receiver:

The receiver that is open on any given play!

The diversity of the attack is precisely why it works. Key on Graham, go to Sproles. Key on Sproles, go to Colston. Double up both Graham and Sproles, look for Meachem or Stills over the top.

Colston is so quiet you simply do not pay attention to the stats. 6 1000+ yard seasons. Brees/Colston is the most active QB/Receiver pair in TDs and completions in the league today and I believe now in the top 5 in NFL history. Colston would be a superstar on any other team.

With 5000+ yards of passing and nearly 600 completions each season, there's more than enough balls for Brees to spread around. There's no need for a "Gimme the damn ball!" diva receiver on this squad.

Why would you mess with an undefeated team with a top 5 offense?

SFIAH

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Yes, what you are describing is a team with no salary cap...

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Christ, it's like you people do nothing except look for stuff to complain about.

Jimmy is our #1 receiver. end of discussion.

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Not sure if this is a serious thread. I guess Mr. Lee is lobbying early for his son to be drafted first round?

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Atlanta tried hard to find a Jimmy Graham, think they have about 4 other TE's over 6'6" but none have worked out. Believe me, teams want what we have not the other way around.

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I'm not a fan of the #1 receiver philosophy. I also think it's misunderstood when people say this. It's great to have that on your team if you can find it but it's much better to have a safety blanket receiver than a Megatron type. I'd take the reliable always make the tough catch receiver than the freak of nature guy.

Fortunately we have both. Coltson always make big tough catches for this team and graham is the freak of nature throw it up into triple coverage guy.

Plus we have a lot of interchangeable parts that can play each other's position. Imagine trying to gameplan defensively against all our weapons. Who do you key on? Who must you take away?

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Is this a real thread?! C'mon, man... 37 receptions (tied 2nd), 593 yards (1st), & 6 TDs (tied 2nd). Jimmy is on pace to have one of the all time greatest receiver seasons...EVER! True #1 WR? We have the true #1 WR in the ENTIRE LEAGUE! What do you not understand about that?

Also, very rarely is Sproles a "check down". I'd say that a fair estimate would be that around 85% of the time that Brees passes to him the play was designed for him. That is NOT a "check down". It's a designed play. Big difference.

Geez, Louise....

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Colston is our #1 receiver. Brees and him work so well together you'd have to be crazy to move Colston to a #2. And we spread the ball around ... PT and even Collins are getting targets now.

I think our #2 receiver situation is fine with Moore, Toon, Meach and Stills. Between these guys our receiver depth is impressive, and I think Toon and Stills will continue to improve.

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I think this thread has ended its life. We have the best receiving options in the NFL not to mention the best overall receiver in Graham.

Like Patrick Peterson said, forget labels, Jimmy is a WR or closer to one than a TE. A WR, I don't care how good he is, if he's double covered he's not going to have a good day. Jimmy on the other hand, he makes catches with three bodies around him. Then, it takes two of them to bring him down if he wants to keep going.

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Not saying we should pay one for all that money , but give him a real game breaker through the draft ... The rookie contract won't cost that much , what happens if Graham goes down ? Seriously he's a TE not a receiver

We're going to mess around and hurt him overusing him.

Sammy Watkins out of Clemson , Chris outta Texas a&m somebody that threatens people ... If anything it would help Graham get open

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Colston is a tight end in a receivers spot ... Brees makes them that damn good ... Give him someone that makes Brees better

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Kudos, and I totally agree.....why is it that we have fit inside the mold of what other teams do.....we have everything we need. Sometimes a great W is just that..... A great W....

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Did you really just say that Graham is not a receiver, and Colston is a TE? LoL Hypocrite much? Craziness abounds! Hahaha Good luck convincing Sean and Drew that Jimmy is not a receiver.

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Grahm leads all receivers in the NFL.


Give me a 4 TE set.

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He's a tight end bro , he's however more of a receiver than Colston is ...

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I can't believe what you have just said. Our offense, for years now, has been dangerous BECAUSE we don't have a true number one receiver. Week to week teams are guessing, and even we are to an extent, who is going to be the one. I am happy with our receiving corps because we have no prima donnas and each receiver/back/tight-end knows his place and what he does for the TEAM. Case in point is the Dolphin game. Sproles tore them up early on so they thought they should cover him, then Jimmy Graham pops up with 4 catches for 100 yards so they go for him and Colston, who had been quiet up to then is 3 yards short of 100. No, let the other teams have their Megatrons and Jones's. Their Greens and their Fitzgeralds. Let us have a greater variety and do what we are doing because other teams are finding it hard to plan for all of us.

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I agree

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Anyone hear an update on Lance Moore and his hand situation?
He's been inactive for a few weeks now. Just curious.

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His mom said 3-4 weeks out a week ago.

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Maybe we should call them ball catchers instead of recievers/tightends/backs.

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Graham plays multiple positions. TE, WR, Offensive lineman (even though he isn't the greatest blocker). At the end of the day he's one weapon of many.

We have a talented receiving corps so I don't want to see early round picks there although I would love to see what Sean Payton and drew brees could do with a weapon like D'anthoni Thomas from oregon.

At the end of the day our Oline still needs a lot more help as well as linebacker and secondary on our defense.

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What we need is a true dedicated Long Snapper.

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Read the article that was posted a couple days ago, misfit toys or something like that.

The biggest reason for the Saints' success is they don't bow to conventional thinking when it comes to personnel. Who decided that you *have* to have a true #1 receiver?

In fact let's look at the teams right now that have a true #1:

Atlanta (Julio)
Detroit (CJ)
Bears (Marshall)
Cardinals (Fitz)
Texans (Andre)
Bengals (AJ)
Cowboys (bryant)
Giants (Cruz)
Bucs (VJax)


Are these offenses better than the Saints? I think you know the answer.

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The heavy utilization of sproles is due to a lack of a true run game. We dont need a true number one reciever. We have enogh weapins where they need to be and the luxury of the best TE in the league who is really just a WR. This has been our MO since Payton and Brees got here and its working just fine. No need to fix something that aint broke. If we signed a true number one we would have to lose one of our others in order to pay them.

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5-0.

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We had one until he went Bernie Madoff on us.

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We have plenty of weapons and look good for the near future with Toon and Stills too

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I think we are fine just like we are. What did the Lions do without megatron this weekend? No offense SLoMo! Matchups are everything in this league. You don't think with the Bears having Kromer didn't pay extra attention to Colston as well. Colston is still a receiving threat he just isn't a speedster. That's why we hope Stills will develop.

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Great comments from both sides. I still think we need someone who gets open quicker and easier. He doesn't have to be a true number one just fast and smart.

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We have that on I.R.; did everyone forget Joseph Morgan?