MI active. Let the hating begin

homerj07 · 10-10-2013, 07:59 PM

Don't care about Ingram. I care about Strief. That is not good news.

DrewBrees15 · 10-10-2013, 08:58 PM

To me the Ingram thing is all about opportunity cost. Fans are upset about his lack of production because of the opportunity cost of what the Saints could of had with the picks given up to get him. Payton & Loomis thought they were picking a back that could get a 3rd and 1 or a 4th and 1 even when the defense knew he was coming or else they wouldn't of spent so high (2nd round 2011 + 1st round 2012). Because the Saints didn't use the picks for defense (sorely needed in 2011 & 2012), everytime Ingram is stopped with little or no gain, the frustration builds.

Jack Vegas · 10-11-2013, 12:12 AM

Or maybe the frustration builds because he simply doesn't produce. I don't care whether he's a first-round draft pick or a seventh-round draft pick. His performance has been unacceptable either way.

I want so much for him to succeed because I love the way he runs when it's working. I could watch his highlight video all day. It's that much fun to watch him run. And I truly thought after last year that he had turned the corner and was so looking forward to seeing him have a huge season in 2013.

But that didn't happen. and those times when it's working are so few and far between. Meanwhile we've got a real good chance at another Super Bowl and can't afford to keep feeding the ball to a running back who does not produce.

|Mitch| · 10-11-2013, 12:39 AM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

Meanwhile we've got a real good chance at another Super Bowl and can't afford to keep feeding the ball to a running back who does not produce.

You act like we have a superb run game except when M.I. is in the game... We haven't had a decent rushing game all season.

It got a little better last week, due more to better O-Line play(confirmed with Drew getting better pass protection as well)

The Dude · 10-11-2013, 01:00 AM

Originally Posted by DrewBrees15

To me the Ingram thing is all about opportunity cost. Fans are upset about his lack of production because of the opportunity cost of what the Saints could of had with the picks given up to get him. Payton & Loomis thought they were picking a back that could get a 3rd and 1 or a 4th and 1 even when the defense knew he was coming or else they wouldn't of spent so high (2nd round 2011 + 1st round 2012). Because the Saints didn't use the picks for defense (sorely needed in 2011 & 2012), everytime Ingram is stopped with little or no gain, the frustration builds.

Great first post. Welcome!

Saintaintso · 10-11-2013, 01:12 AM

He's going to tear it up Sunday !

AlaskaSaints · 10-11-2013, 01:43 AM

Can't prove anything from the bench.

Hasn't proven anything with ball in hand.

It's time to cut bait.

Alaska

Jack Vegas · 10-11-2013, 04:14 AM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

You act like we have a superb run game except when M.I. is in the game...

Actually, no, I wasn't acting like that at all, and I'm not sure why you would even say such a thing.

What I am sure of is that Ingram's performance so far is clearly and vastly inferior to the three other running backs who have carried the ball for the Saints this season.

AliJee · 10-11-2013, 05:02 AM

For some reason I still feel khiry seems more dangerous, at least he looks like he's trying to beat tackles or forcing forward to gain those extra yards.

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Danno · 10-11-2013, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by DrewBrees15

To me the Ingram thing is all about opportunity cost. Fans are upset about his lack of production because of the opportunity cost of what the Saints could of had with the picks given up to get him. Payton & Loomis thought they were picking a back that could get a 3rd and 1 or a 4th and 1 even when the defense knew he was coming or else they wouldn't of spent so high (2nd round 2011 + 1st round 2012). Because the Saints didn't use the picks for defense (sorely needed in 2011 & 2012), everytime Ingram is stopped with little or no gain, the frustration builds.

I agree sort of. There was a stat last year that showed Ingram was near the very top of the league in 3rd down conversions. It's true it been bad this year but it hasn't always been bad for him.

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DrewBrees15 Rookie Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 8	Re: MI active. Let the hating begin To me the Ingram thing is all about opportunity cost. Fans are upset about his lack of production because of the opportunity cost of what the Saints could of had with the picks given up to get him. Payton & Loomis thought they were picking a back that could get a 3rd and 1 or a 4th and 1 even when the defense knew he was coming or else they wouldn't of spent so high (2nd round 2011 + 1st round 2012). Because the Saints didn't use the picks for defense (sorely needed in 2011 & 2012), everytime Ingram is stopped with little or no gain, the frustration builds. SaintFanInATLHELL likes this.
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Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: MI active. Let the hating begin Or maybe the frustration builds because he simply doesn't produce. I don't care whether he's a first-round draft pick or a seventh-round draft pick. His performance has been unacceptable either way. I want so much for him to succeed because I love the way he runs when it's working. I could watch his highlight video all day. It's that much fun to watch him run. And I truly thought after last year that he had turned the corner and was so looking forward to seeing him have a huge season in 2013. But that didn't happen. and those times when it's working are so few and far between. Meanwhile we've got a real good chance at another Super Bowl and can't afford to keep feeding the ball to a running back who does not produce.
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\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: MI active. Let the hating begin Originally Posted by Jack Vegas Meanwhile we've got a real good chance at another Super Bowl and can't afford to keep feeding the ball to a running back who does not produce. You act like we have a superb run game except when M.I. is in the game... We haven't had a decent rushing game all season. It got a little better last week, due more to better O-Line play(confirmed with Drew getting better pass protection as well) Danno, SaintGup and K Major like this.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: MI active. Let the hating begin Originally Posted by DrewBrees15 To me the Ingram thing is all about opportunity cost. Fans are upset about his lack of production because of the opportunity cost of what the Saints could of had with the picks given up to get him. Payton & Loomis thought they were picking a back that could get a 3rd and 1 or a 4th and 1 even when the defense knew he was coming or else they wouldn't of spent so high (2nd round 2011 + 1st round 2012). Because the Saints didn't use the picks for defense (sorely needed in 2011 & 2012), everytime Ingram is stopped with little or no gain, the frustration builds. Great first post. Welcome! xan likes this.
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Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: MI active. Let the hating begin Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| You act like we have a superb run game except when M.I. is in the game... Actually, no, I wasn't acting like that at all, and I'm not sure why you would even say such a thing. What I am sure of is that Ingram's performance so far is clearly and vastly inferior to the three other running backs who have carried the ball for the Saints this season.
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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: MI active. Let the hating begin Originally Posted by DrewBrees15 To me the Ingram thing is all about opportunity cost. Fans are upset about his lack of production because of the opportunity cost of what the Saints could of had with the picks given up to get him. Payton & Loomis thought they were picking a back that could get a 3rd and 1 or a 4th and 1 even when the defense knew he was coming or else they wouldn't of spent so high (2nd round 2011 + 1st round 2012). Because the Saints didn't use the picks for defense (sorely needed in 2011 & 2012), everytime Ingram is stopped with little or no gain, the frustration builds. I agree sort of. There was a stat last year that showed Ingram was near the very top of the league in 3rd down conversions. It's true it been bad this year but it hasn't always been bad for him.

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