Poor Run Defense Partially Due to Scheme

exile · 11-04-2013, 01:49 PM

Says it all.

Danno · 11-04-2013, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by exile

Says it all.

Wow, I haven't seen a gaping hole that size by the Saints O-line in years.

That is amazing. Where's the SLB? Did we just get burned on a SLB/SILB blitz?

Pretty significant hold on Hicks (or Jenkins?) however.

exile · 11-04-2013, 04:49 PM

'Curtis Lofton said this today: "There wasn’t anything in his (Ivory's) way most of the time he ran. That’s more so (our fault)." So the team is thinking more about not having players in the right spots rather than being bruised by the offensive line or Ivory.'

New Orleans Saints chat with Larry Holder at 2:30 p.m. | NOLA.com

blackangold · 11-04-2013, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Wow, I haven't seen a gaping hole that size by the Saints O-line in years.

That is amazing. Where's the SLB? Did we just get burned on a SLB/SILB blitz?

Pretty significant hold on Hicks (or Jenkins?) however.

Off topic but I know you'll love this one Danno

If Harper played against the Jets i think we win the game.
Doesnt matter much now but if Harper was healthy those big runs don't happen. Having Jenkins and Harper out hurt us in this game, Bush took some bad angles.

Danno · 11-04-2013, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Off topic but I know you'll love this one Danno

If Harper played against the Jets i think we win the game.
Doesnt matter much now but if Harper was healthy those big runs don't happen. Having Jenkins and Harper out hurt us in this game, Bush took some bad angles.

Wait, say what???

TheOak · 11-05-2013, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Wow, I haven't seen a gaping hole that size by the Saints O-line in years.

That is amazing. Where's the SLB? Did we just get burned on a SLB/SILB blitz?

Pretty significant hold on Hicks (or Jenkins?) however.

Jordan and Hicks are both being held. Refs dont call holding until the hands make their way to the outside of the pads.

Danno · 11-05-2013, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Jordan and Hicks are both being held. Refs dont call holding until the hands make their way to the outside of the pads.

Unless your name is de la Puente and its the Saints final victory drive.

halloween 65 · 11-04-2013, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by exile

Says it all.

All I get out of this picture is where an ILB should be. Call me crazy but we need a big thumper to go along with Hawthorn in the middle, I like Lofton and he has done better than I expected but when a runner gets past the front 3 or 4 up front it lies on the ILB or ILB'ers to get the runner in the second tier. Our lb.'s got exposed badly yesterday and others will follow until we get a handle on it, Harper could have been used to his skill set yesterday to a tee. When we do draft I hope we get our man in the middle.

blackangold · 11-04-2013, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

All I get out of this picture is where an ILB should be. Call me crazy but we need a big thumper to go along with Hawthorn in the middle, I like Lofton and he has done better than I expected but when a runner gets past the front 3 or 4 up front it lies on the ILB or ILB'ers to get the runner in the second tier. Our lb.'s got exposed badly yesterday and others will follow until we get a handle on it, Harper could have been used to his skill set yesterday to a tee. When we do draft I hope we get our man in the middle.

Not going to say you are wrong here, I like Lofton generally. Hicks got beat up front; he should never let the O-lineman get that close to him. Hick has crazy reach but fails to use it to lock out lineman, he has been a bit disappointing.

Even though I like Lofton I wouldn't mind drafting a good ILB. Can Sam Mills still play lol

halloween 65 · 11-04-2013, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Not going to say you are wrong here, I like Lofton generally. Hicks got beat up front; he should never let the O-lineman get that close to him. Hick has crazy reach but fails to use it to lock out lineman, he has been a bit disappointing.

Even though I like Lofton I wouldn't mind drafting a good ILB. Can Sam Mills still play lol

Truthfully I was thinking of Vaughn Johnson, I would take someone like him and Mills in a heartbeat.

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Poor Run Defense Partially Due to Scheme Originally Posted by exile Says it all. Wow, I haven't seen a gaping hole that size by the Saints O-line in years. That is amazing. Where's the SLB? Did we just get burned on a SLB/SILB blitz? Pretty significant hold on Hicks (or Jenkins?) however.

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exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Re: Poor Run Defense Partially Due to Scheme 'Curtis Lofton said this today: "There wasn’t anything in his (Ivory's) way most of the time he ran. That’s more so (our fault)." So the team is thinking more about not having players in the right spots rather than being bruised by the offensive line or Ivory.' New Orleans Saints chat with Larry Holder at 2:30 p.m. \| NOLA.com
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11-04-2013, 05:37 PM	#4
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Poor Run Defense Partially Due to Scheme Originally Posted by Danno Wow, I haven't seen a gaping hole that size by the Saints O-line in years. That is amazing. Where's the SLB? Did we just get burned on a SLB/SILB blitz? Pretty significant hold on Hicks (or Jenkins?) however. Off topic but I know you'll love this one Danno If Harper played against the Jets i think we win the game. Doesnt matter much now but if Harper was healthy those big runs don't happen. Having Jenkins and Harper out hurt us in this game, Bush took some bad angles. Barry from MS likes this.

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Poor Run Defense Partially Due to Scheme Originally Posted by blackangold Off topic but I know you'll love this one Danno If Harper played against the Jets i think we win the game. Doesnt matter much now but if Harper was healthy those big runs don't happen. Having Jenkins and Harper out hurt us in this game, Bush took some bad angles. Wait, say what??? blackangold likes this.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,056	Re: Poor Run Defense Partially Due to Scheme Originally Posted by Danno Wow, I haven't seen a gaping hole that size by the Saints O-line in years. That is amazing. Where's the SLB? Did we just get burned on a SLB/SILB blitz? Pretty significant hold on Hicks (or Jenkins?) however. Jordan and Hicks are both being held. Refs dont call holding until the hands make their way to the outside of the pads.

11-05-2013, 10:10 AM	#7
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Poor Run Defense Partially Due to Scheme Originally Posted by TheOak Jordan and Hicks are both being held. Refs dont call holding until the hands make their way to the outside of the pads. Unless your name is de la Puente and its the Saints final victory drive.

11-04-2013, 06:26 PM	#8
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Poor Run Defense Partially Due to Scheme Originally Posted by exile Says it all. All I get out of this picture is where an ILB should be. Call me crazy but we need a big thumper to go along with Hawthorn in the middle, I like Lofton and he has done better than I expected but when a runner gets past the front 3 or 4 up front it lies on the ILB or ILB'ers to get the runner in the second tier. Our lb.'s got exposed badly yesterday and others will follow until we get a handle on it, Harper could have been used to his skill set yesterday to a tee. When we do draft I hope we get our man in the middle.

11-04-2013, 06:30 PM	#9
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Poor Run Defense Partially Due to Scheme Originally Posted by halloween 65 All I get out of this picture is where an ILB should be. Call me crazy but we need a big thumper to go along with Hawthorn in the middle, I like Lofton and he has done better than I expected but when a runner gets past the front 3 or 4 up front it lies on the ILB or ILB'ers to get the runner in the second tier. Our lb.'s got exposed badly yesterday and others will follow until we get a handle on it, Harper could have been used to his skill set yesterday to a tee. When we do draft I hope we get our man in the middle. Not going to say you are wrong here, I like Lofton generally. Hicks got beat up front; he should never let the O-lineman get that close to him. Hick has crazy reach but fails to use it to lock out lineman, he has been a bit disappointing. Even though I like Lofton I wouldn't mind drafting a good ILB. Can Sam Mills still play lol Danno and Barry from MS like this.

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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Poor Run Defense Partially Due to Scheme Originally Posted by blackangold Not going to say you are wrong here, I like Lofton generally. Hicks got beat up front; he should never let the O-lineman get that close to him. Hick has crazy reach but fails to use it to lock out lineman, he has been a bit disappointing. Even though I like Lofton I wouldn't mind drafting a good ILB. Can Sam Mills still play lol Truthfully I was thinking of Vaughn Johnson, I would take someone like him and Mills in a heartbeat. jeanpierre likes this.

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