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Old 11-04-2013, 02:33 PM   #1
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Saints O/D Line

Seeing how we preform on the field is one thing, seeing how our players rank against the rest of the league is another.

Total Pressure Allowed (Sacks, Hits, Hurries) Ranked#5

Pass Blocking Efficiency
Center (DLP) #5,
Guards (Evans #8/Grubs #20),
Tackles (Strief #1 Brown #42),
*Guards and Tackles are ranked out of 57 players.

Run Blocking Efficiency
DLP (-3.6)
Evans (-3.4)
Grubs (7.6)
Strief (15)
Brown (-4.7)
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Old 11-04-2013, 02:37 PM   #2
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DLP our 2nd best pass blocker huh?
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DLP our 2nd best pass blocker huh?
Yep.. I struggled with that concept also.. The numbers come from PFT... Sort of an accumulation of the ReFo gradings you have been posting.
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Yep.. I struggled with that concept also.. The numbers come from PFT... Sort of an accumulation of the ReFo gradings you have been posting.
Did you see a ranking of the run grades or just the grades?

It looks like Strief is by far our best O-lineman and the others aren't even close.
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DLP our 2nd best pass blocker huh?
Here is a twist on that stat. While DLP may be making the blocks... There are no stats that cover not making the right calls on the line which is the Centers job. This year in particular and mostly in the last few games, am i the only one that noticed a gross amount of penalties on Brees while he stands at the line and tried to call out coverages? That is DLPs frikken job to do, DLP/the Center is responsible for calling the blocking assignments of the front 7, drew should be looking for mismatches in the secondary.

This would explain the delay of game penalties, and Drew not having the time to scan all of his receivers match ups in time. Would make logical sense that if you are QB and having to make the line calls for your line to protect your azz and they are not doing it well, when the ball is snapped you have only a few seconds find the receiver of choice. In Drew's case he doesn't have the time to find the "open" miss matches, so he goes where he knows will be the safest throw. Jimmy Graham.

I could be dead wrong but it makes logical sense of a lot of things for me personally.
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Here is a twist on that stat. While DLP may be making the blocks... There are no stats that cover not making the right calls on the line which is the Centers job. This year in particular and mostly in the last few games, am i the only one that noticed a gross amount of penalties on Brees while he stands at the line and tried to call out coverages? That is DLPs frikken job to do, DLP/the Center is responsible for calling the blocking assignments of the front 7, drew should be looking for mismatches in the secondary.

This would explain the delay of game penalties, and Drew not having the time to scan all of his receivers match ups in time. Would make logical sense that if you are QB and having to make the line calls for your line to protect your azz and they are not doing it well, when the ball is snapped you have only a few seconds find the receiver of choice. In Drew's case he doesn't have the time to find the "open" miss matches, so he goes where he knows will be the safest throw. Jimmy Graham.

I could be dead wrong but it makes logical sense of a lot of things for me personally.
I dont think you are that far wrong, brees seemed to take ages to snap the ball vs jets and when the play clock ran out, it showed brees talking to DLP, he didnt look happy

Letting Kromer go may have cost us more than we realize, cant run block, struggling to pass block
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Originally Posted by TheOak View Post
Here is a twist on that stat. While DLP may be making the blocks... There are no stats that cover not making the right calls on the line which is the Centers job. This year in particular and mostly in the last few games, am i the only one that noticed a gross amount of penalties on Brees while he stands at the line and tried to call out coverages? That is DLPs frikken job to do, DLP/the Center is responsible for calling the blocking assignments of the front 7, drew should be looking for mismatches in the secondary.

This would explain the delay of game penalties, and Drew not having the time to scan all of his receivers match ups in time. Would make logical sense that if you are QB and having to make the line calls for your line to protect your azz and they are not doing it well, when the ball is snapped you have only a few seconds find the receiver of choice. In Drew's case he doesn't have the time to find the "open" miss matches, so he goes where he knows will be the safest throw. Jimmy Graham.

I could be dead wrong but it makes logical sense of a lot of things for me personally.
I like your theory BUT...do you have any explanation why it's happening now, but didn't happen in 2011, 2010, when it's been De La Puente at center the whole time? Maybe De La Puente is not taking to the new zone blocking scheme?

And there have been plenty of snaps in earlier games this year, I've noticed in home games in the Dome, where it came right down to the "00" on the clock, including some where the clock was clearly expired on double-zero and the refs have sorta "given" Drew an extra beat or portion of a second, like as if "00" counts as its own extra second.
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I like your theory BUT...do you have any explanation why it's happening now, but didn't happen in 2011, 2010, when it's been De La Puente at center the whole time? Maybe De La Puente is not taking to the new zone blocking scheme?

And there have been plenty of snaps in earlier games this year, I've noticed in home games in the Dome, where it came right down to the "00" on the clock, including some where the clock was clearly expired on double-zero and the refs have sorta "given" Drew an extra beat or portion of a second, like as if "00" counts as its own extra second.
We had a different line in 2011 and 2010... We had a healthy line for the most part in 2011 and 2010. I dont think Strief and Evans are at 100% yet.

I would say its the zone blocking scheme. Previously our o-line blocked who was in front of them, now its much more complex and easier to miss a block by .2s when a LB jumps the snap.

A good judge of what is causing it is to know that the zone blocking is for run plays and not passing plays. Where to defenses shoot the most of our gaps and give us problems? On run plays... They are all over our RBs in the back field.

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I've noticed that a lot of the TFL's are because a LB is shooting the gaps in our zone blocking attempts. That wouldn't necessarily reflect on an O-lineman since they're actually blocking their man, its just the whole scheme is being poorly played.
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I swear dlp looks like the weak link.
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