Incognito or Martin - Would you want them??

ScottF · 11-05-2013, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by skymike

talk is talk. Whats his history?

history is that he was on several teams' do not draft list
he was flat out cut by a below average team (St. L)
he has more personal fouls in last 5 years than anyone not named Suh
has had 5 games with 2 PF's
had college ejections and suspensions, including spitting on a player from ASU
alienated the guy who plays NEXT to him on the line

Cancer. Pass.

RailBoss · 11-05-2013, 07:49 PM

Freaking Racist Bully ! A good fit for Atlanta, ya know strike that don't even want to see him in the league.

Boutte · 11-05-2013, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by skymike

I'd like to understand exactly what he said, and what context.
if its just because he said the forbidden word, that forbidden word pops up
in every other rap song, so i dont give a sh**. I wouldnt excommunicate every player who used the word cracker, and i'm sure its been done.

If he was seriously threatening guys (for whatever reason) and meant them harm, then yeah, we dont want no psycho's. And honestly, no, I wouldnt want someone who hates someone just because of their skin. I dont hate anyone like that, regardless what you're going to say. But I'm not going to
recognize anyone's special set of rights. Everyone is equal in my book.

But if he was just a big sh** talker, even if he was conrad dobler on the field, I would use his play as the determiner.

This is the first time I've ever heard the term "bullying" used in a football story,
and to be honest, the whole "bullying" thing is suspicious to me.

talk is talk. Whats his history?

Substitute the word bullying with harassment.

skymike · 11-06-2013, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

... Remember Riley Cooper?

Coopers teammates have moved on, and he's having a productive season.

Originally Posted by Boutte

Substitute the word bullying with harassment.

OK, "harassment." I've never heard harassment in an NFL story
either. You harass your secretary. You dont harass your left tackle. Still super bizarre, and I dont know who to believe. honestly.

This is way too much real world trickling into my football.

TheOak · 11-06-2013, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by skymike

Coopers teammates have moved on, and he's having a productive season.
OK, "harassment." I've never heard harassment in an NFL story
either. You harass your secretary. You dont harass your left tackle. Still super bizarre, and I dont know who to believe. honestly.

This is way too much real world trickling into my football.

Cooper didn't make a racial slur at a team mate and cause a team mate to have a break down... Save voice messages for months.. etc.

saintfan · 11-06-2013, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by skymike

You harass your secretary. You don't harass your left tackle.

Now that's freaking funny right there..

ScottF · 11-06-2013, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Cooper didn't make a racial slur at a team mate and cause a team mate to have a break down... Save voice messages for months.. etc.

Originally Posted by skymike

Coopers teammates have moved on, and he's having a productive season.
OK, "harassment." I've never heard harassment in an NFL story
either. You harass your secretary. You dont harass your left tackle. Still super bizarre, and I dont know who to believe. honestly.

This is way too much real world trickling into my football.

several Eagles (Williams, Jackson) have very vocally not moved on. That's the problem with these situations- they are not fixed until someone leaves the team

Boutte · 11-05-2013, 06:42 PM

Boutte · 11-05-2013, 06:44 PM

Incognito vs. Smith (The video Dolphins fans don't want you to see) - YouTube

This guy should be permanently banned from the league.

jeanpierre · 11-05-2013, 08:58 PM

Do we even have salary cap room?!?

Assume he'd replace Grubbs (who's proving to be a disappointing signing for the price) but to what improvement, ends?!?

How does he react to Brees-led pressure drive to win a big game, remembering he's played for Rams and Dolphins, not winners?!?

Can he be TRUSTED with the Shield, Fleur-de-lis?!?

What is the scope of his leaked medically-managed mental health issues?!?

Our society has got to come to grips with the words like n****, redskin, and the like...

And the solution is not to get a big eraser out and try to remove history, you learn from it and teach younger generations the same...

And it can't be tolerated for some of society to use a word and not others - that's horse$#hit...

Problem with hazing is that now there is little to nil personal judgement and restraint...

Hazing stunts have now entered a zone of "how do we out-do last year's stunts?" and that leads to a critical mass scenario resulting in long-term effect from abuse and even, death...

Team chemistry is important and a little nasty, toughness is so needed on the offensive line - but do you put a possible powder-keg mad man in the portcullis that protects your 20 million dollar investment at quarterback?!?

11-05-2013, 07:07 PM	#1
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Incognito - Would you want him?? Originally Posted by skymike talk is talk. Whats his history? history is that he was on several teams' do not draft list he was flat out cut by a below average team (St. L) he has more personal fouls in last 5 years than anyone not named Suh has had 5 games with 2 PF's had college ejections and suspensions, including spitting on a player from ASU alienated the guy who plays NEXT to him on the line Cancer. Pass. skymike likes this.

11-05-2013, 07:49 PM	#2
RailBoss 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Of The Mason Dixon Line Posts: 7,113	Re: Incognito - Would you want him?? Freaking Racist Bully ! A good fit for Atlanta, ya know strike that don't even want to see him in the league.

11-05-2013, 08:54 PM	#3
Boutte Site Donor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belle Chasse Posts: 1,701	Re: Incognito - Would you want him?? Originally Posted by skymike I'd like to understand exactly what he said, and what context. if its just because he said the forbidden word, that forbidden word pops up in every other rap song, so i dont give a sh. I wouldnt excommunicate every player who used the word cracker, and i'm sure its been done. If he was seriously threatening guys (for whatever reason) and meant them harm, then yeah, we dont want no psycho's. And honestly, no, I wouldnt want someone who hates someone just because of their skin. I dont hate anyone like that, regardless what you're going to say. But I'm not going to recognize anyone's special set of rights. Everyone is equal in my book. But if he was just a big sh talker, even if he was conrad dobler on the field, I would use his play as the determiner. This is the first time I've ever heard the term "bullying" used in a football story, and to be honest, the whole "bullying" thing is suspicious to me. talk is talk. Whats his history? Substitute the word bullying with harassment. aintasinner likes this.

11-06-2013, 10:51 AM	#4
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: Incognito - Would you want him?? Originally Posted by TheOak ... Remember Riley Cooper? Coopers teammates have moved on, and he's having a productive season. Originally Posted by Boutte Substitute the word bullying with harassment. OK, "harassment." I've never heard harassment in an NFL story either. You harass your secretary. You dont harass your left tackle. Still super bizarre, and I dont know who to believe. honestly. This is way too much real world trickling into my football. jeanpierre likes this.

11-06-2013, 10:53 AM	#5
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Incognito - Would you want him?? Originally Posted by skymike Coopers teammates have moved on, and he's having a productive season. OK, "harassment." I've never heard harassment in an NFL story either. You harass your secretary. You dont harass your left tackle. Still super bizarre, and I dont know who to believe. honestly. This is way too much real world trickling into my football. Cooper didn't make a racial slur at a team mate and cause a team mate to have a break down... Save voice messages for months.. etc.

11-06-2013, 12:32 PM	#6
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Incognito - Would you want him?? Originally Posted by skymike You harass your secretary. You don't harass your left tackle. Now that's freaking funny right there.. jeanpierre likes this.

11-06-2013, 01:37 PM	#7
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Incognito - Would you want him?? Originally Posted by TheOak Cooper didn't make a racial slur at a team mate and cause a team mate to have a break down... Save voice messages for months.. etc. Originally Posted by skymike Coopers teammates have moved on, and he's having a productive season. OK, "harassment." I've never heard harassment in an NFL story either. You harass your secretary. You dont harass your left tackle. Still super bizarre, and I dont know who to believe. honestly. This is way too much real world trickling into my football. several Eagles (Williams, Jackson) have very vocally not moved on. That's the problem with these situations- they are not fixed until someone leaves the team

11-05-2013, 06:42 PM	#8
Boutte Site Donor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belle Chasse Posts: 1,701	Re: Incognito - Would you want him?? <iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/qYAKx52erGo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> I don't care how good he is I don't want a guy like this.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Incognito - Would you want him?? Do we even have salary cap room?!? Assume he'd replace Grubbs (who's proving to be a disappointing signing for the price) but to what improvement, ends?!? How does he react to Brees-led pressure drive to win a big game, remembering he's played for Rams and Dolphins, not winners?!? Can he be TRUSTED with the Shield, Fleur-de-lis?!? What is the scope of his leaked medically-managed mental health issues?!? Our society has got to come to grips with the words like n****, redskin, and the like... And the solution is not to get a big eraser out and try to remove history, you learn from it and teach younger generations the same... And it can't be tolerated for some of society to use a word and not others - that's horse$#hit... Problem with hazing is that now there is little to nil personal judgement and restraint... Hazing stunts have now entered a zone of "how do we out-do last year's stunts?" and that leads to a critical mass scenario resulting in long-term effect from abuse and even, death... Team chemistry is important and a little nasty, toughness is so needed on the offensive line - but do you put a possible powder-keg mad man in the portcullis that protects your 20 million dollar investment at quarterback?!? skymike and WhoDat2301 like this.
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