NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)

[TheOak]

Yes, but some people go off a game by game basis. For me its body of work, and last night was the only stand out game for me for the last 3 years.. Much like Hartley, my issue isn't just last nights miss, its compounded over the last 3 years.

I am over simplifying things but they are both in the same boat as far as I am concerned. Neither have managed to put a foot on the "reliability" train.

I am not going to let cutting someone be much of a thought on one bad game, but i am also not going to think we should throw a 7 year contract off of one good game either.

The honest truth for me is that Ingram is not playing to his pay rate, with an AVE'Sal of $1.8M he ranks 32nd in the league in terms of pay.. He has 9 more games this season to prove he is worth that money.

[Danno]

Originally Posted by TheOak

Yes, but some people go off a game by game basis. For me its body of work, and last night was the only stand out game for me for the last 3 years.. Much like Hartley, my issue isn't just last nights miss, its compounded over the last 3 years.

I am over simplifying things but they are both in the same boat as far as I am concerned. Neither have managed to put a foot on the "reliability" train.

I am not going to let cutting someone be much of a thought on one bad game, but i am also not going to think we should throw a 7 year contract off of one good game either.

The honest truth for me is that Ingram is not playing to his pay rate, with an AVE'Sal of $1.8M he ranks 32nd in the league in terms of pay.. He has 9 more games this season to prove he is worth that money.

If Spotrac's numbers are right...

He's the 470th highest paid player in the NFL
He's the 246th highest paid player in the NFC
He's the 27th highest paid RB in the NFL
He's the 22nd highest paid Saint

His pay rate is pretty irrelevant in the big picture. Its the 2 draft picks that has everyone's panties wadded up.

[TheOak]

Originally Posted by Danno

If Spotrac's numbers are right...

He's the 470th highest paid player in the NFL
He's the 246th highest paid player in the NFC
He's the 27th highest paid RB in the NFL
He's the 22nd highest paid Saint

His pay rate is pretty irrelevant in the big picture. Its the 2 draft picks that has everyone's panties wadded up.

Spotrac is correct. At this point I don't really put too much into draft picks from 3 years ago. The reason I highlighted his pay vs performance is that when one is cash strapped (against the cap) value is huge, and it is not going to get any better in 2014 with the lengthy FA list. Most of them can go but a few are keepers.
New Orleans Saints Free Agents - 2014

I am a paid Spotrac-er and I didnt want weighted years so I went by ave salary.

[canucksaint]

Good on MI for having a great game last night.

There was 1 thing that I noticed, that I "think" was different.

Most of Ingram's good/big runs came when he was running behind Collins. I don't recall a lot of Ingram's previous runs being with a FB in front.

Now granted, due to my location I don't really get to watch a lot of Saints games, so I may be completely off base.

[TheOak]

Originally Posted by canucksaint

Good on MI for having a great game last night.

There was 1 thing that I noticed, that I "think" was different.

Most of Ingram's good/big runs came when he was running behind Collins. I don't recall a lot of Ingram's previous runs being with a FB in front.

Now granted, due to my location I don't really get to watch a lot of Saints games, so I may be completely off base.

I've seen them all so it's important to note if you only saw last nights game Collins is great. If you saw all the rest your wondering as I do why we are one of the few teams with a FB.

[Barry from MS]

Originally Posted by TheOak

I've seen them all so it's important to note if you only saw last nights game Collins is great. If you saw all the rest your wondering as I do why we are one of the few teams with a FB.

Yup...Collins didn't have nearly as many blocking "WHIFF!"s last night than in previous games. This made a significant difference, even before Lee went out with the hammy. The boy has simply looked lost on who to block previously, but he got it together last night instead of taking up roster space. He must have finally cracked open the play book and paid attention in the meetings.