NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)

[TheOak]

Originally Posted by Danno

Intersting stat...

All of 2012 and 2013 combined
Sproles - 4.51 per carry
Thomas - 4.16 per carry
Ingram - 4.17 per carry

For just 2013...
Sproles - 3.7 per carry
Thomas - 3.8 per carry
Ingram - 5.6 per carry

Selective Data?

Ingram

2012 3.9 YPC
2011 3.9 YPC

Would you be against the thought that 2013 being only 4 games and 35 carries all season is a little weighted?

[Danno]

Originally Posted by TheOak

Selective Data?

Ingram

2012 3.9 YPC
2011 3.9 YPC

Would you be against the thought that 2013 being only 4 games and 35 carries all season is a little weighted?

Yep.

[Utah_Saint]

Originally Posted by TheOak

Selective Data?

Ingram

2012 3.9 YPC
2011 3.9 YPC

Would you be against the thought that 2013 being only 4 games and 35 carries all season is a little weighted?

to be fair...

Career
313 attempts - 1,271 yards - 4.1 yards per carry.

Those are average numbers for a running back. Not good, not bad, just about average.

And while Sundays great performance was only one game against a terrible defense, there are 29 more games in that average and some of those games were against very good defenses.

[TheOak]

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

to be fair...

Career
313 attempts - 1,271 yards - 4.1 yards per carry.

Those are average numbers for a running back. Not good, not bad, just about average.

And while Sundays great performance was only one game against a terrible defense, there are 29 more games in that average and some of those games were against very good defenses.

I have stated many times that Mark Ingram is an average running back, nothing more or less. Very few fans manage their expectations of him though.. He has 1 great game and he is compared to Marshawn Lynch.. fans are called haters... and we should all of a sudden turn over the work load to him. He has bad games and the opposite crowd says he needs to be traded, or benched.

If fans would recognize him for what he is there wouldn't be the roller coaster of reactions. He was a first round Heisman trophy winning draft pick and with that comes very high expectations, so in regards to expectations he has yet to succeed.

The difference between Ingram and Thomas is not YPC.. its that PT came in as an undrafted free agent and earned his passes by grinding out great running back play. Ingram came in as a first round draft pick and hasn't earned a pass on a bad game, or strung enough good games together to change many peoples perception of him, and that my friend is it in a nut shell.

[Danno]

Originally Posted by TheOak

I have stated many times that Mark Ingram is an average running back, nothing more or less. Very few fans manage their expectations of him though.. He has 1 great game and he is compared to Marshawn Lynch.. fans are called haters... and we should all of a sudden turn over the work load to him. He has bad games and the opposite crowd says he needs to be traded, or benched.

If fans would recognize him for what he is there wouldn't be the roller coaster of reactions. He was a first round Heisman trophy winning draft pick and with that comes very high expectations, so in regards to expectations he has yet to succeed.

The difference between Ingram and Thomas is not YPC.. its that PT came in as an undrafted free agent and earned his passes by grinding out great running back play. Ingram came in as a first round draft pick and hasn't earned a pass on a bad game, or strung enough good games together to change many peoples perception of him, and that my friend is it in a nut shell.

For me personally, I view it as too many people claim he's a bust, he's awful, he's the worst in the NFL, cut him now.

I think what we're seeing is just a backlash against the extreme negativity and misinformed hate toward him earlier.

He's not nearly as "great" as some have recently suggested, but he damn sure was nowhere near as bad as many kept harping on.

And where he was drafted has nothing to do with how good or bad Mark Ingram is as a RB.

And PT isn't some cheap off the street RB anymore. He was given an 11 million contract a few years ago. Ingram is our 3rd highest paid RB behind Sproles/Thomas.

[TheOak]

Originally Posted by Danno

For me personally, I view it as too many people claim he's a bust, he's awful, he's the worst in the NFL, cut him now.

I think what we're seeing is just a backlash against the extreme negativity and misinformed hate toward him earlier.

He's not nearly as "great" as some have recently suggested, but he damn sure was nowhere near as bad as many kept harping on.

And where he was drafted has nothing to do with how good or bad Mark Ingram is as a RB.

And PT isn't some cheap off the street RB anymore. He was given an 11 million contract a few years ago. Ingram is our 3rd highest paid RB behind Sproles/Thomas.

The subjective aspect is something I had to work on... As you know I am firmly grounded in empirical data.

Great and bad are subjective terms and that is very much dependent on expectations and the perception of value.

What spurred a good majority of the bad taste for Ingram? It wasn't his YPC, it was all of the 1-2 yard First down markers, and 2-3 yard TDs he failed to get.

Now, Ingram says he can do better, a lot of people including out Front Office think he can do better... if they didn't he wouldn't have been drafted.

All that is left it for him to prove it. Dallas was a fantastic start but if he doesn't continue, are he and Hartley going to sit next to each other on the plane for the next 10 seasons?

[spkb25]

Originally Posted by Danno

For me personally, I view it as too many people claim he's a bust, he's awful, he's the worst in the NFL, cut him now.

I think what we're seeing is just a backlash against the extreme negativity and misinformed hate toward him earlier..

No, I think what you're seeing is the normal fan who looks at one game and concludes that as an entire body of work. Pull the post about Vince Young after the national title win- nearly the entire board swore he was the greatest thing since forever.

Originally Posted by Danno

He's not nearly as "great" as some have recently suggested, but he damn sure was nowhere near as bad as many kept harping on.

Agreed, but when you give what we gave you're expected to be great.. fair or not