NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)

[CoreyO]

Originally Posted by AllSaints

im not gunna jump to conclusions on MI i wanna see if he can do this sum more... dallas D was pathetic KR would have done damage too if he would have played

Maybe, maybe not PT had 3 more carries then ingram and barely had half the yards as Ingram, i think KR can run but he has horrible ball skills until he can learn to take better care of the ball he wont be running when ingram is active, maybe ingram got a lucky game or maybe hes finally healthy who knows till next game

[TheOak]

Originally Posted by CoreyO

Maybe, maybe not PT had 3 more carries then ingram and barely had half the yards as Ingram, i think KR can run but he has horrible ball skills until he can learn to take better care of the ball he wont be running when ingram is active, maybe ingram got a lucky game or maybe hes finally healthy who knows till next game

? KR = 0 fumbles

[CoreyO]

Originally Posted by TheOak

? KR = 0 fumbles

He had 2-3 in preseason and he did have 1 in the game he played alot of snaps its just off the record because the refs didn't see it in the game they noticed it in film study, when payton was asked about what he thought about KR the first thing he said was he needs to handle the ball better

[TheOak]

Originally Posted by CoreyO

He had 2-3 in preseason and he did have 1 in the game he played alot of snaps its just off the record because the refs didn't see it in the game they noticed it in film study, when payton was asked about what he thought about KR the first thing he said was he needs to handle the ball better

Robinson had 2 fumbles in 1 preseason game and lost 1.

Ingram also lost a Fumble in preseason...

To say he has "horrible ball skills" on a fumble you have to go back and do a film study on to find is a little overboard.

I agree with AllSaints.. KR would have preformed just as well.

PT barely had 1/2 the yardage? LOL

Here is the item that has been omitted from your PT vs Ingram against Dallas observation.

Pierre Thomas
LE 2-11
LT 2-17
LG 2-0
ML 2-0
MR 5-35
RG 2-12
RT 1-6
RE 1-7

Mark Ingram
LE 0
LT 3-15
LG 1-4
ML 3-37
MR 5-79
RG 1-1
RT 1-4
RE 2-5

Ingram has 116 yards between ML/MR and that came after Sean Lee the MLB was out (one of the best MLBs in the league). You want to know what Mark Ingram had before Lee was injured? 1 Incomplete pass.

[CoreyO]

Originally Posted by TheOak

Robinson had 2 fumbles in 1 preseason game and lost 1.

Ingram also lost a Fumble in preseason...

To say he has "horrible ball skills" on a fumble you have to go back and do a film study on to find is a little overboard.

I agree with AllSaints.. KR would have preformed just as well.

PT barely had 1/2 the yardage? LOL

Here is the item that has been omitted from your PT vs Ingram against Dallas observation.

Pierre Thomas
LE 2-11
LT 2-17
LG 2-0
ML 2-0
MR 5-35
RG 2-12
RT 1-6
RE 1-7

Mark Ingram
LE 0
LT 3-15
LG 1-4
ML 3-37
MR 5-79
RG 1-1
RT 1-4
RE 2-5

Ingram has 116 yards between ML/MR and that came after Sean Lee the MLB was out (one of the best MLBs in the league). You want to know what Mark Ingram had before Lee was injured? 1 Incomplete pass.

What im simply saying is payton doesn't trust his handling ability as he has said in one of the press conferences,i do agree with you that he would of did just as good as ingram, i just think he could also be a liability if he doesn't protect the ball.

[TheOak]

Originally Posted by CoreyO

What im simply saying is payton doesn't trust his handling ability as he has said in one of the press conferences,i do agree with you that he would of did just as good as ingram, i just think he could also be a liability if he doesn't protect the ball.

If Payton didn't trust him, he wouldn't have been on the field. There are plenty of other options... We have 5 other backs capable of running the ball more and covering Ingrams 10-15 carries per game.

What Sean Payton Said was: That is not distrust, its identifying something before it becomes a problem.
“Now, the ball came out on a play,” Payton said. “I thought he handled the opportunities outstanding. But the ball security for a young player of understanding how difficult it is in our league is something we will continue to work on.

“But to answer the question, he’s been explosive. He’s been tough. He’s been hard-nosed. And we will continue to look at his snaps and evaluate how he fits in each game plan.”

2013
Robinson 1ish fumbles
Pierre Thomas - 2
Darren Sproles - 2
Drew Brees - 2

2012
Marques Colston - 4
Cadet -1
Graham -1
Collins -1

2011
Thomas - 2
Ingram -1
Sproles -1
graham -1
Colston -1

2010
Brees - 9! LOL
Ivory -4

2009 -
Brees 9!

I get it... You are a fan of Ingram... But dont try to paint a player with a bad brush that obviously has no where near any case of fumbleaitus, nor has lost the trust of Sean Payton.

[CoreyO]

Originally Posted by TheOak

If Payton didn't trust him, he wouldn't have been on the field. There are plenty of other options... We have 5 other backs capable of running the ball more and covering Ingrams 10-15 carries per game.

What Sean Payton Said was: That is not distrust, its identifying something before it becomes a problem.
“Now, the ball came out on a play,” Payton said. “I thought he handled the opportunities outstanding. But the ball security for a young player of understanding how difficult it is in our league is something we will continue to work on.

“But to answer the question, he’s been explosive. He’s been tough. He’s been hard-nosed. And we will continue to look at his snaps and evaluate how he fits in each game plan.”

2013
Robinson 1ish fumbles
Pierre Thomas - 2
Darren Sproles - 2
Drew Brees - 2

2012
Marques Colston - 4
Cadet -1
Graham -1
Collins -1

2011
Thomas - 2
Ingram -1
Sproles -1
graham -1
Colston -1

2010
Brees - 9! LOL
Ivory -4

2009 -
Brees 9!

I get it... You are a fan of Ingram... But dont try to paint a player with a bad brush that obviously has no where near any case of fumbleaitus, nor has lost the trust of Sean Payton.

Didnt say i was a fan of ingram just said he had a good game, and in my opinion i feel KR doesnt handle the ball like a pro, and your pulling up stats on players fumbling when hes only actually played one full game and that one game he had a 1ish fumble the other game he played like 4 snaps. which doesnt mean hes a bad player its something he can be better at, and the reason i threw the stats in there about PT is because i think KR is more similar to PT than Ingram as a RB. In my personal opinion i think PT is better than ingram, just ingram put up more numbers that game. And your comment about sean lee making the difference is some what true but thats like saying that PT wassnt in the game at all after lee got out, its prolly just because they play PT and ingram in different formations and the formation ingram was in had the better blocking. PT had nice runs even at the beggining of the game when lee was in so that made up a good bit of his yardage if i remember correctly. I understand what your saying i may not be 100% accurate on everything im saying, just my take on things so chill out bro