Playoff Picture as of Today 11-18-13

TheOak · 11-19-2013, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

Actually, by the time we play Seattle they will have already played Miami.

If Carolina beats Miami, New York in addition to already beating New England, St.Louis, and San Francisco that leaves them with 5 common wins.

If we beat St.Louis or Seattle in addition to already beating Miami, Buffalo, San Francisco, and Arizona that leaves us with 5 common wins. If we beat both St.Louis and Seattle then we have the tiebreaker won.

But.............a tied common wins tiebreaker means it goes to conference record, which means Carolina has to beat both Miami and NY to get out of common games tiebreaker only to lose to us in conference record tiebreaker.

You are right on the tiebreaker scenario though we have them beat up until strength of victory.

As of now in that tiebreaker
Carolina's wins
NE-7 wins(likely resulting in 11-12 wins)
SF-6 wins(likely resulting in 11-12 wins, not buying the cardinals beating them)
StL-4 wins(likely resulting in 6 wins, maybe 5 if bears to don't sleep on them and run the ball)
NYG-4 wins(likely resulting in 5-6 wins, do not think they beat Dallas, SD, Seattle, or Detroit)
Min-2 wins(likely 2-3 wins, bengals game week 16 is interesting)
That totals 23 wins atm and will result in 36-40 wins
But they have to beat Miami or the jets remaining(cannot beat both because then it doesnt come to this)
Lets say its jets since its at home
NY-5 wins(likely resulting in 8 wins)
That will be 44-48 total combined wins beat.

Our wins
Mia-5 wins(likely resulting in 8 wins if they beat Carolina)
Buf-4 wins(likely resulting in 8 wins with what they have coming up)
SF-6 wins(likely resulting in 11-12 wins)
Ari-6 wins(likely resulting in 7-8 wins, yep they could just win 1 more)
Dal-5 wins(likely resulting in 8-10 wins)
Chi-6 wins(likely resulting in 9-11 wins)
That is 32 wins that should end up 51-57 combined wins beat. Meaning it wouldnt matter which team we beat between Seattle and St.Louis as we will eclipse Carolina's total by 3 or more wins.

Stoooppppppop! Way too much on the guessing.

We have Carolina until strength of schedule. That is where they have the advantage according to the NFL list

ScottF · 11-19-2013, 06:52 PM

way too much thinking going on...
we play them twice. we don't need to worry about tie-breakers, just winning

WillSaints81 · 11-19-2013, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

Actually, by the time we play Seattle they will have already played Miami.

If Carolina beats Miami, New York in addition to already beating New England, St.Louis, and San Francisco that leaves them with 5 common wins.

If we beat St.Louis or Seattle in addition to already beating Miami, Buffalo, San Francisco, and Arizona that leaves us with 5 common wins. If we beat both St.Louis and Seattle then we have the tiebreaker won.

But.............a tied common wins tiebreaker means it goes to conference record, which means Carolina has to beat both Miami and NY to get out of common games tiebreaker only to lose to us in conference record tiebreaker.

You are right on the tiebreaker scenario though we have them beat up until strength of victory.

As of now in that tiebreaker
Carolina's wins
NE-7 wins(likely resulting in 11-12 wins)
SF-6 wins(likely resulting in 11-12 wins, not buying the cardinals beating them)
StL-4 wins(likely resulting in 6 wins, maybe 5 if bears to don't sleep on them and run the ball)
NYG-4 wins(likely resulting in 5-6 wins, do not think they beat Dallas, SD, Seattle, or Detroit)
Min-2 wins(likely 2-3 wins, bengals game week 16 is interesting)
That totals 23 wins atm and will result in 36-40 wins
But they have to beat Miami or the jets remaining(cannot beat both because then it doesnt come to this)
Lets say its jets since its at home
NY-5 wins(likely resulting in 8 wins)
That will be 44-48 total combined wins beat.

Our wins
Mia-5 wins(likely resulting in 8 wins if they beat Carolina)
Buf-4 wins(likely resulting in 8 wins with what they have coming up)
SF-6 wins(likely resulting in 11-12 wins)
Ari-6 wins(likely resulting in 7-8 wins, yep they could just win 1 more)
Dal-5 wins(likely resulting in 8-10 wins)
Chi-6 wins(likely resulting in 9-11 wins)
That is 32 wins that should end up 51-57 combined wins beat. Meaning it wouldnt matter which team we beat between Seattle and St.Louis as we will eclipse Carolina's total by 3 or more wins.

nvm

TheOak · 11-19-2013, 07:15 PM

UK_WhoDat · 11-19-2013, 09:35 PM

If you people spent less time thinking about sex and more time concentrating on comic books, we’d have far fewer of these embarrassing moments.

UK_WhoDat · 11-19-2013, 09:36 PM

SaintSproles · 11-19-2013, 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Stoooppppppop! Way too much on the guessing.

We have Carolina until strength of schedule. That is where they have the advantage according to the NFL list

where do you see that?

There are only 2 uncommon games between teams in the same division.

So it comes down to the Saints having played Dallas and Chicago vs Carolina having played the Giants and Minnesota. Dallas and Chicago are an 11-6 combined record, whereas the Giants and Vikings are 6-11. Going to be really tough for Carolina's uncommon opponents to catch up 5 games. That's why we should actually pull for Dallas to beat the Giants this weekend.

hagan714 · 11-20-2013, 12:45 AM

i am trying to see the playoff picture but i can not see through all the bird crap in atlanta. clean that pile crap off first.

TheOak · 11-20-2013, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by SaintSproles

where do you see that?

There are only 2 uncommon games between teams in the same division.

So it comes down to the Saints having played Dallas and Chicago vs Carolina having played the Giants and Minnesota. Dallas and Chicago are an 11-6 combined record, whereas the Giants and Vikings are 6-11. Going to be really tough for Carolina's uncommon opponents to catch up 5 games. That's why we should actually pull for Dallas to beat the Giants this weekend.

Team-by-team strength of schedule for 2013 - NFL.com

What is gray for me and I am looking for clarification is whether they use the initial SoS or look at it at the time of the decision.

According to Wiki it is for that season, so I was premature in my assumption.
Strength of schedule (the combined won-lost-tied percentage of all the teams that a club has played against).

spkb25 · 11-20-2013, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

win this week then you have ten days to worry about the next game. so win this week.

Flat out- everyone is stomping Atlanta, and I don't want to hear **** about how they're going to play harder because it is us. If we don't win this week that is completely 1000% on us. That team stinks. First game of the season Atlanta was a lot better than they are now. They have lost a ton of people since then, their D is like swiss cheese. Someone call Mark Ingram, his second 100 yard game is on the way

11-19-2013, 06:38 PM	#21
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Playoff Picture as of Today 11-18-13 Originally Posted by WillSaints81 Actually, by the time we play Seattle they will have already played Miami. If Carolina beats Miami, New York in addition to already beating New England, St.Louis, and San Francisco that leaves them with 5 common wins. If we beat St.Louis or Seattle in addition to already beating Miami, Buffalo, San Francisco, and Arizona that leaves us with 5 common wins. If we beat both St.Louis and Seattle then we have the tiebreaker won. But.............a tied common wins tiebreaker means it goes to conference record, which means Carolina has to beat both Miami and NY to get out of common games tiebreaker only to lose to us in conference record tiebreaker. You are right on the tiebreaker scenario though we have them beat up until strength of victory. As of now in that tiebreaker Carolina's wins NE-7 wins(likely resulting in 11-12 wins) SF-6 wins(likely resulting in 11-12 wins, not buying the cardinals beating them) StL-4 wins(likely resulting in 6 wins, maybe 5 if bears to don't sleep on them and run the ball) NYG-4 wins(likely resulting in 5-6 wins, do not think they beat Dallas, SD, Seattle, or Detroit) Min-2 wins(likely 2-3 wins, bengals game week 16 is interesting) That totals 23 wins atm and will result in 36-40 wins But they have to beat Miami or the jets remaining(cannot beat both because then it doesnt come to this) Lets say its jets since its at home NY-5 wins(likely resulting in 8 wins) That will be 44-48 total combined wins beat. Our wins Mia-5 wins(likely resulting in 8 wins if they beat Carolina) Buf-4 wins(likely resulting in 8 wins with what they have coming up) SF-6 wins(likely resulting in 11-12 wins) Ari-6 wins(likely resulting in 7-8 wins, yep they could just win 1 more) Dal-5 wins(likely resulting in 8-10 wins) Chi-6 wins(likely resulting in 9-11 wins) That is 32 wins that should end up 51-57 combined wins beat. Meaning it wouldnt matter which team we beat between Seattle and St.Louis as we will eclipse Carolina's total by 3 or more wins. Stoooppppppop! Way too much on the guessing. We have Carolina until strength of schedule. That is where they have the advantage according to the NFL list
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11-19-2013, 06:52 PM	#22
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Playoff Picture as of Today 11-18-13 way too much thinking going on... we play them twice. we don't need to worry about tie-breakers, just winning

11-19-2013, 07:07 PM	#23
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Playoff Picture as of Today 11-18-13 Originally Posted by WillSaints81 Actually, by the time we play Seattle they will have already played Miami. If Carolina beats Miami, New York in addition to already beating New England, St.Louis, and San Francisco that leaves them with 5 common wins. If we beat St.Louis or Seattle in addition to already beating Miami, Buffalo, San Francisco, and Arizona that leaves us with 5 common wins. If we beat both St.Louis and Seattle then we have the tiebreaker won. But.............a tied common wins tiebreaker means it goes to conference record, which means Carolina has to beat both Miami and NY to get out of common games tiebreaker only to lose to us in conference record tiebreaker. You are right on the tiebreaker scenario though we have them beat up until strength of victory. As of now in that tiebreaker Carolina's wins NE-7 wins(likely resulting in 11-12 wins) SF-6 wins(likely resulting in 11-12 wins, not buying the cardinals beating them) StL-4 wins(likely resulting in 6 wins, maybe 5 if bears to don't sleep on them and run the ball) NYG-4 wins(likely resulting in 5-6 wins, do not think they beat Dallas, SD, Seattle, or Detroit) Min-2 wins(likely 2-3 wins, bengals game week 16 is interesting) That totals 23 wins atm and will result in 36-40 wins But they have to beat Miami or the jets remaining(cannot beat both because then it doesnt come to this) Lets say its jets since its at home NY-5 wins(likely resulting in 8 wins) That will be 44-48 total combined wins beat. Our wins Mia-5 wins(likely resulting in 8 wins if they beat Carolina) Buf-4 wins(likely resulting in 8 wins with what they have coming up) SF-6 wins(likely resulting in 11-12 wins) Ari-6 wins(likely resulting in 7-8 wins, yep they could just win 1 more) Dal-5 wins(likely resulting in 8-10 wins) Chi-6 wins(likely resulting in 9-11 wins) That is 32 wins that should end up 51-57 combined wins beat. Meaning it wouldnt matter which team we beat between Seattle and St.Louis as we will eclipse Carolina's total by 3 or more wins. nvm TheOak likes this.

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SaintSproles Site Donor Drew Brees GOAT Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 342 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Playoff Picture as of Today 11-18-13 Originally Posted by TheOak Stoooppppppop! Way too much on the guessing. We have Carolina until strength of schedule. That is where they have the advantage according to the NFL list where do you see that? There are only 2 uncommon games between teams in the same division. So it comes down to the Saints having played Dallas and Chicago vs Carolina having played the Giants and Minnesota. Dallas and Chicago are an 11-6 combined record, whereas the Giants and Vikings are 6-11. Going to be really tough for Carolina's uncommon opponents to catch up 5 games. That's why we should actually pull for Dallas to beat the Giants this weekend.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Playoff Picture as of Today 11-18-13 Originally Posted by SaintSproles where do you see that? There are only 2 uncommon games between teams in the same division. So it comes down to the Saints having played Dallas and Chicago vs Carolina having played the Giants and Minnesota. Dallas and Chicago are an 11-6 combined record, whereas the Giants and Vikings are 6-11. Going to be really tough for Carolina's uncommon opponents to catch up 5 games. That's why we should actually pull for Dallas to beat the Giants this weekend. Team-by-team strength of schedule for 2013 - NFL.com What is gray for me and I am looking for clarification is whether they use the initial SoS or look at it at the time of the decision. According to Wiki it is for that season, so I was premature in my assumption. Strength of schedule (the combined won-lost-tied percentage of all the teams that a club has played against).

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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: Playoff Picture as of Today 11-18-13 Originally Posted by hagan714 win this week then you have ten days to worry about the next game. so win this week. Flat out- everyone is stomping Atlanta, and I don't want to hear **** about how they're going to play harder because it is us. If we don't win this week that is completely 1000% on us. That team stinks. First game of the season Atlanta was a lot better than they are now. They have lost a ton of people since then, their D is like swiss cheese. Someone call Mark Ingram, his second 100 yard game is on the way

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