Now the controversy moves to the Gronkowski interference call

SaintSproles · 11-19-2013, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan403

The biggest thing for me is that it wasn't the ref who threw the flag who reversed it, it was that country bumpkin Clete Blakeman who picked up the flag and gave no real explanation for the non-call...you just can't get away with holding of that magnitude on an endzone play.

Much like the overturn of the original call on the Corey White fumble into the endzone.

So here we have a ref standing right where he needs to be to make that call (out of bounds at the 1 yard line), but Mr. Corrente comes flying in from 40 yards away and decides he had a better look at it and that it was a touchback.

You let the original call stand and you review it. You don't come in to overturn a call because you "think" it went across the inside of the pylon and out of the back of the endzone.

If you understand anything about geometry, White fumbles it at the 2 and the ball lands 3 yards to the right of the sideline. Draw a straight line from the 2 very near the sideline to a point 10 yards out and 3 yards to the right. I bet you have a difficult time deciding if the ball went over the pylon or not.

At the very least the review official should have declared White down by contact when he originally intercepted the ball. The call there usually rules in favor of contact if it's a bang bang call.

SmashMouth · 11-19-2013, 07:47 PM

idealisticapathetic says:
Nov 19, 2013 12:43 PM
NFL Rules – Chapter 236 Section 2 : On the final play of a game, a defensive player may wrap his arms around an offensive player and push him away from the play – so long as the home team and underdog is the beneficiary of said play

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Belichick: If you have questions about the call, talk to the league | ProFootballTalk

The Dude · 11-19-2013, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by SaintSproles

Thank goodness.

It was terrible for them to pick up the flag. They had the call correct and New England should have had 1st and goal at the 1 with a play to win the game.

Why I wish they had beat Carolina I do not feel sorry for them one bit. They beat us the exact same way as they got beat. By a stupid penalty that should have been called but wasn't.

TheOak · 11-20-2013, 06:49 AM

Blakeman says it was an uncatchable pass.
Blandino says it was simultaneous contact.

So the head official and the VP of officiating are not on the same page.... Priceless!

arsaint · 11-20-2013, 08:24 AM

While NE is feeling screwed by the refs - and they were - maybe they can think back to the Saints game when they had Jr in a choke hold to keep him off of Brady on the game winning pass.

What goes around, comes around multiplied.

First the Jets beat you with that penalty on a missed FG and now the Panthers get away with a defensive hold if not a PI (either way you would have had one more play)

SaintSproles · 11-20-2013, 06:15 PM

What most people miss in all of this controversy is the clock management issue by Belichick in allowing 40 seconds to run off on the play after the 2 minute warning.

Who in their right mind wants 40 seconds to run off the clock vs losing a timeout? I thought it was a mistake when it was happening and it came back to bite them.

You're NEVER going to run off 40 seconds of the clock on your own if you are out of timeouts (and definitely not an offense led by Tom Brady). So it's always more valuable to save the 40 seconds vs saving a timeout.

2 timeouts and 1:38 left on the clock vs 3 timeouts and 59 seconds. You think Brady leads them to a touchdown? Probably. If you replace that with having to hurry up to spike a ball or run the next play that would probably take you 15 seconds vs losing almost the entire 40 seconds like they did. Ultimately the Patriots lost about 25 seconds on the clock based on that one decision by Belichick. So that puts you at the 18 yard line with about 30 seconds left on the clock and no timeouts. Not sure why most head coaches are clock management-challenged. Even the great ones.

SaintSproles · 11-21-2013, 02:05 PM

They are showing the Patriots/Colts AFC CG from 2006 on NFL Network this week.

Belichick makes the same exact clock management mistake in that game. Doesn't call a timeout as the Colts are inside the 10 trying to score the go ahead touchdown. 40 seconds run off the clock.

Down 4, Brady leads the Pats to the Colts 40. But there is only 24 seconds left on the clock and a timeout. Again, having 1:04 seconds on the clock and no timeouts would have been so much better and allowed the Pats to not be so pressured to make plays down the field. The next play was an interception to end the game.

SaintsBro · 11-21-2013, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan403

The biggest thing for me is that it wasn't the ref who threw the flag who reversed it, it was that country bumpkin Clete Blakeman who picked up the flag and gave no real explanation for the non-call...you just can't get away with holding of that magnitude on an endzone play.

Originally Posted by SaintSproles

Much like the overturn of the original call on the Corey White fumble into the endzone.

So here we have a ref standing right where he needs to be to make that call (out of bounds at the 1 yard line), but Mr. Corrente comes flying in from 40 yards away and decides he had a better look at it and that it was a touchback.

You let the original call stand and you review it. You don't come in to overturn a call because you "think" it went across the inside of the pylon and out of the back of the endzone.

And don't forget, the infamous "INTERTOUCHDOWNCEPTION" call last year with Seattle/Green Bay, was the same exact thing.... One official right there on the spot called it correctly, and the other came flying in from way far away and over ruled him.

QBREES9 · 11-21-2013, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Best PATS pic of the year!!!

Humans

11-19-2013, 05:25 PM	#31
SaintSproles Site Donor Drew Brees GOAT Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 342 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Now the controversy moves to the Gronkowski interference call Originally Posted by saintsfan403 The biggest thing for me is that it wasn't the ref who threw the flag who reversed it, it was that country bumpkin Clete Blakeman who picked up the flag and gave no real explanation for the non-call...you just can't get away with holding of that magnitude on an endzone play. Much like the overturn of the original call on the Corey White fumble into the endzone. So here we have a ref standing right where he needs to be to make that call (out of bounds at the 1 yard line), but Mr. Corrente comes flying in from 40 yards away and decides he had a better look at it and that it was a touchback. You let the original call stand and you review it. You don't come in to overturn a call because you "think" it went across the inside of the pylon and out of the back of the endzone. If you understand anything about geometry, White fumbles it at the 2 and the ball lands 3 yards to the right of the sideline. Draw a straight line from the 2 very near the sideline to a point 10 yards out and 3 yards to the right. I bet you have a difficult time deciding if the ball went over the pylon or not. At the very least the review official should have declared White down by contact when he originally intercepted the ball. The call there usually rules in favor of contact if it's a bang bang call. Danno and saintsfan403 like this.

11-19-2013, 07:47 PM	#32
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,201 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Now the controversy moves to the Gronkowski interference call idealisticapathetic says: Nov 19, 2013 12:43 PM NFL Rules – Chapter 236 Section 2 : On the final play of a game, a defensive player may wrap his arms around an offensive player and push him away from the play – so long as the home team and underdog is the beneficiary of said play . Belichick: If you have questions about the call, talk to the league \| ProFootballTalk Danno likes this.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,050	Re: Now the controversy moves to the Gronkowski interference call Originally Posted by SaintSproles Thank goodness. It was terrible for them to pick up the flag. They had the call correct and New England should have had 1st and goal at the 1 with a play to win the game. Why I wish they had beat Carolina I do not feel sorry for them one bit. They beat us the exact same way as they got beat. By a stupid penalty that should have been called but wasn't.
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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Now the controversy moves to the Gronkowski interference call Blakeman says it was an uncatchable pass. Blandino says it was simultaneous contact. So the head official and the VP of officiating are not on the same page.... Priceless!

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arsaint Saint Historian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: deep in the bowels of a hidden bunker, somewhere under the brick & steel of a nondescript building.. Posts: 2,716	Re: Now the controversy moves to the Gronkowski interference call While NE is feeling screwed by the refs - and they were - maybe they can think back to the Saints game when they had Jr in a choke hold to keep him off of Brady on the game winning pass. What goes around, comes around multiplied. First the Jets beat you with that penalty on a missed FG and now the Panthers get away with a defensive hold if not a PI (either way you would have had one more play)
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11-20-2013, 06:15 PM	#36
SaintSproles Site Donor Drew Brees GOAT Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 342 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Now the controversy moves to the Gronkowski interference call What most people miss in all of this controversy is the clock management issue by Belichick in allowing 40 seconds to run off on the play after the 2 minute warning. Who in their right mind wants 40 seconds to run off the clock vs losing a timeout? I thought it was a mistake when it was happening and it came back to bite them. You're NEVER going to run off 40 seconds of the clock on your own if you are out of timeouts (and definitely not an offense led by Tom Brady). So it's always more valuable to save the 40 seconds vs saving a timeout. 2 timeouts and 1:38 left on the clock vs 3 timeouts and 59 seconds. You think Brady leads them to a touchdown? Probably. If you replace that with having to hurry up to spike a ball or run the next play that would probably take you 15 seconds vs losing almost the entire 40 seconds like they did. Ultimately the Patriots lost about 25 seconds on the clock based on that one decision by Belichick. So that puts you at the 18 yard line with about 30 seconds left on the clock and no timeouts. Not sure why most head coaches are clock management-challenged. Even the great ones. Danno likes this.

11-21-2013, 02:05 PM	#37
SaintSproles Site Donor Drew Brees GOAT Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 342 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Now the controversy moves to the Gronkowski interference call They are showing the Patriots/Colts AFC CG from 2006 on NFL Network this week. Belichick makes the same exact clock management mistake in that game. Doesn't call a timeout as the Colts are inside the 10 trying to score the go ahead touchdown. 40 seconds run off the clock. Down 4, Brady leads the Pats to the Colts 40. But there is only 24 seconds left on the clock and a timeout. Again, having 1:04 seconds on the clock and no timeouts would have been so much better and allowed the Pats to not be so pressured to make plays down the field. The next play was an interception to end the game.

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SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Now the controversy moves to the Gronkowski interference call Originally Posted by saintsfan403 The biggest thing for me is that it wasn't the ref who threw the flag who reversed it, it was that country bumpkin Clete Blakeman who picked up the flag and gave no real explanation for the non-call...you just can't get away with holding of that magnitude on an endzone play. Originally Posted by SaintSproles Much like the overturn of the original call on the Corey White fumble into the endzone. So here we have a ref standing right where he needs to be to make that call (out of bounds at the 1 yard line), but Mr. Corrente comes flying in from 40 yards away and decides he had a better look at it and that it was a touchback. You let the original call stand and you review it. You don't come in to overturn a call because you "think" it went across the inside of the pylon and out of the back of the endzone. And don't forget, the infamous "INTERTOUCHDOWNCEPTION" call last year with Seattle/Green Bay, was the same exact thing.... One official right there on the spot called it correctly, and the other came flying in from way far away and over ruled him.

11-21-2013, 10:45 PM	#39
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,985	Re: Now the controversy moves to the Gronkowski interference call Originally Posted by Danno Best PATS pic of the year!!! Humans

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