Press Man Coverage our Kryptonite
 

Patriots Played press against our offense and we stalled, didn't watch the jets game but I'm pretty sure they did too & the Seahawks on Monday night even jimmy graham isn't as productive when he gets pressed, Where is Colston, Lance, Kenny, Nick Toon? Can anybody not name Jimmy Graham get separation from db's. With that being said our line still has to play better but even when Drew had time in the pocket Monday night NOBODY was open. I'm starting to think we need a true #1 WR who can do it ALL I'm a huge fan of Colston & Co. I think they're undderated or are they because when the game gets physicall they disappear Maybe I'm wrong but we wil find out sooner or later

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Playing Press against us tells me they do not fear any speed from our receivers, a check at the line of scrimmage slows the routs so drew has to hold the ball longer.

Since we have been running the same routes for how many years I can understand why some teams play us that way.

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And that's why I think we miss Joe Morgan he was a big play guy who got separation and could catch I just wish Toon would turn it up some notches Like Michael Floyd

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Cover-2 used to give us fits too, then along came our cover-2 killer Jimmy Graham.

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Joe Morgan is pretty much Kenny Stills both are the deep threat and both have little experience. I'm hoping Sean changes things up.. if we as fans can see ur doing the same ol thing I'm sure the opponent can too.

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Carolina's DB's struggle and aren't really that good. It's just getting the ball to that point that will be the challenge.

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It's simple.

Press coverage throws off the timing of timing routes.

Seattle CBs are good at it... yes, even their backups are good at it.

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Duh

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Just educating your fan base.

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We aren't a fast offense. Not necessarily a fast defense either.

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it is not so much a press as getting the push up the middle on drew. thats our soft spot. why do you think carolina draft two DT in the fist two rounds?

teams in the south have been drafting to stop us for years and we have not made any real counter moves. it is catching up to us.

press coverage is not the issue pocket integrity is

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That and opposing teams hurry up offense. For some reason it just burns us.

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And I was thinking that DLP may be grading out OK, but the grades don't take into account the pressure up the gut forces Brees to step sideways or back instead of forward in the pocket as he's done for so many years.

Its not considered a pressure or a hurry, but it forces Drew off of his comfort spot in the pocket.

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My two concerns going in (if anyone recalls)

press coverage on our WRs and DLP.

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agreed

now if drew was a 6'4" QB then DLP would work IMO. that and having better corner protection so he could hold his ground in the pocket for another second or two before stepping up would help also.

big difference in a 6' QB stepping up verses a 6'4" QB stepping up. thats almost two yards or two step in a seven step drop.

So i can not hang DLP totally here except on his quickness in picking up stunts.

laws of basic geometry come into play here. DLP can not give up that first step in blocking so easily. dude need more sand in the pants maybe. or his needs more of an initial punch that he has now maybe.

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Ryan Griffin is 6' 5"

With a lot of work to do, granted.

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Issue #1 can Joe Morgan stay off IR. he does us no good lounging in a whirlpool and riding a bike.

If we are addressing WR help it has to be the need for big tough WR that excels in the middle of the defense and out in the flats. a bigger version of Lance Moore. still waiting on lance to make his impact.

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Go away. Nobody here is interested in anything you have to say.

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Moore and Colston have both fallen off the map, age + injuries. Colston is SO SLOW these days, it's like those slant routes and buttonhooks that he used to run for easy 10-yard gains are now 3 and 4 yard gains. Not having a true threat at wide receiver is killing us. Whether they are playing zone or man doesn't make a bit of difference. There's a reason why the overwhelming majority of Brees' passes go to the tight ends and running backs.

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3 years ago we used Colston, Henderson, Moore, and Meachem. Now we have the same guys with Stills in Henderson's spot. They can't all have dropped off that fast so I agree with the degraded O-Line theory. Our line is no where near as stout as it used ot be. Evans constantly playing hurt is a big part of it. Goodwin was also much better at center.

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DLP just needs to drop his nuts & block him and grubbs both they are constantly on their a$$ strap up and go put some Panthers D-line on their A$$ IDC how they get it done but it needs to get done.

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Wasn't a comment to your response, rather the title of the thread.

Press coverage is our kryptonite. Duh.

You just relax though, Pete's PED's will draw attention soon enough...

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I'm with the majority here we need road graders up front. Would give Brees the time he needs and a consistant run game to keep opposing D's honest!! No center needs to go back every time, a few maybe, constantly no. And Strief and Grubbs need to man-up, their not looking so hot. We don't need to get into a slump.

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Yeah I gotta say, after many years of saying we had too many receivers to think about offense in the draft, I'm starting to think it's time to reload that position. Or at least reshuffle it.

We might already have the pieces in place, though Toon hasn't shown me anything in a meaningful situation, and Stills is up and down. Morgan can't seem to stay healthy. But if all these guys can show some consistency and stay healthy, then they need to be bumped up on the depth chart. Colston is making too much money to just dump him, unfortunately, but I think the coaching staff is really doing the team an injustice by continuing to put him out there as the WR1, when he clearly can't get any separation against average or better corners, anymore.

Colston has given us a lot and he deserves his due, but we need a legitimate threat out wide, and he just isn't it. Moore has been plain non-existent this year. Our receivers are very one dimensional. They are either possession guys or speed guys. The only one I see who has the potential to be an all around good receiver is Stills.

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With that said above, It's hard to decide between receiver help or O-line help as being more pressing. There is at least some talent at receiver, whereas the line is a patch work job with a couple exceptions. I would say, just take the best available option between the two. Don't settle on another charles brown type, just because it's a lineman.

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A great ground game would keep it all honest. Where's Khiry?

(Insert chirping crickets here)

Alaska

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This is the first year since 05 I have had far more concerns about our Offense over our Defense.

We can't run the ball to save our lives and for some reason none of our WRs can beat man coverage. Our defense is light-years ahead of where they were last year but our offense is worse... Payton coming back hasn't been that big, having Rob Ryan here made us the contenders we are right now.

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We sure got open during the Dallas game. And a few others. I think you may be suffering from the "last game" syndrome. I just got over it and it wasn't fun.

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Where are Reggie(4.7 YPC) and Joique Bell(4.1 YPC)?
Reggie Bush - Detroit Lions - 2013 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com
Joique Bell - Detroit Lions - 2013 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com

Where is Chris Ivory (4.4 YPC)?
Chris Ivory - New York Jets - 2013 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com

Markie Mark is finally showing some skill, but not until after playing gravedigger for almost every talented running back we've had since he got here.

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I agree that perceptions may be flawed due to the last game but statistically this is the worst offense we have had since 05

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PT 4.0 YPC (he can do better)
Sproles 3.8 YPC (he can damn sure do better)
Ingram 4.4 YPC (I can live with that)

As a team, 3.8 YPC - 25th in the NFL, not good

Reggie as a Saint - 3.99 YPC
Reggie as a Dolphin - 4.68 YPC
Reggie as a Lion - 4.7 YPC

Is New Orleans becoming the place where RB's just suck?

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I was thinking that same thing. But looking at the 2010 playoffs, Reggie was just starting to run between the tackles and fight for yardage at the end of plays. I think we just dumped him right when he was starting to "get it." I think Ingram is just starting to get it now, though I know most people wouldn't be super sad to see him go this off-season. I wouldn't be surprised if he puts up 4.5-4.6 YPC with some other team next year.

EDIT: Also, I'll grant that Ivory was released for injury reasons more than anything.

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Duh! the whole purpose of a Board is to discuss these things known and unkown Duh!

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Maybe we should try the press man coverage. I do get tired of watching our corners stand off 10 yards from the line of scrimmage.

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Actually, this is the best breakdown I've seen. Couldn't put my finger on it, but Greg Cosell explains things EXTREMELY well.

Y! SPORTS

End result, if they're taking away the deep strike, you MUST throw the under routes and make them pay. A lack of adjustment in passing style cost us against both teams.

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Excellent breakdown (it probably deserves its own thread). It certainly looked like they knew what play we were running before we even snapped the ball.

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While going back to look at Reggie Bush's stats did any of you notice the 800 LB gorilla in the room known as "not healthy enough to play?"

He was never healthy enough to start more than 10 games in a season.

His last two years as a Saint he was better than he was in his 2 years at Miami.


As far as for Ingram run the same numbers with out the Dallas game.


It's like fantasy football, every league has at least one guy that has 50 wire pick ups by the end of the season because each week he sees a WR, TE, RB that put up 25 fantasy points. The entire time ignoring the 1,2,0 point games that surround that one 25 point game. At the end of that week he jets him for the next 25 point one hit wonder.

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Chicago comes to mind. Take what is given.

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Stills is a much more complete WR than Morgan imo.

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Bush just slipped in pregame warm ups and re-injured his knee.