Young QBs

saintswhodi · 10-24-2004, 03:46 PM

As I am sitting here watching the Colts/Jags game and watching Byron Leftwich throw perfect pass after perfect pass, I find myself asking myself of course, why are there so many young qbs in the league that seem to be having more success than AB? And I love AB so I am not hating on him, it's just a question. Hasn't AB been in the league longer than Leftwich and Carr and Roethlisberger and as long as McNabb and Culpepper? And I am not blaming AB for our record either. I just see receivers outrunning defenders for these guys, and the qb actually hits them with the ball. Leftwich has thrown two passes in this game that I was sure would be over or underthrown cause I was thinking of AB, but they weren't, they were perfect. Do they all have more talent than AB? Is that all it is? Can someone help me out? I will say again, I AM IN NO WAY BASHING AB OR BLAMING HIM FOR OUR RECORD BEING WHAT IT IS. This is just an observation I wanted to get some opinions on. I have my own, just wanted to hear some others.

saintswhodi · 10-25-2004, 03:09 PM

bump.

I saw someone do this in another thread so I thought i\'d try it.

dberce1 · 10-25-2004, 05:00 PM

Let me say I also root for Brooks. However, I\'ve never seen the guy seem \"comfortable\" at the QB position. He just seems extremely jittery to me. He has all the talent, but no pocket presence.

saintswhodi · 10-25-2004, 05:58 PM

So deberce, in your opinion is that a question of development, or just how he plays? Does he have \"happy feet?\" I know my main problem with AB is his inability to throw a touch pass in any situation. I would have thought the coaches would have worked on him with it like the Texans did with Carr, having him drop a ball into barrels 40 and 50 yards down the field. Or maybe the pressure he gets cause him to not have the ability to set up for a touch pass. I am just trying to figure out why he hasn\'t taken that next step in progression as several 2nd and 3rd and even a rookie qb have.

Saint78 · 10-26-2004, 10:59 PM

To quote Coach Haslett \"It all comes back to Coaching\" & our offensive coaching,gameplans,&play-calling absolutely sucks!! Fire McCarthy and get somebody in their that knows how to adjust to a defense, attack a defense\'s weekness,& play to your offensive strenghts & find a true idenity for our offense.

jbutts · 10-26-2004, 11:25 PM

ive read in several places that Byron and Daunte both struggled in with fumbles and interception and general mayhem early in their careers.
BUT
the offensive coordinators have adjusted their schemes to the QBs by allowing more shotgun formation, more vertical passing, etc, to suit the QBs ability.
SO
we all can agree that AB struggles with touch passes, why dont we throw more long balls?
we all can agree AB sometimes struggles with untimely interceptions and fumbles, why dont we put him in the shotgun and give him some more time to see the field?

also, in response to what i just wrote, when is an interception ever TIMELY? personally i hate them in them in all aspects of our offense.

edit:
i cant recall where i read such information, but im sure its on ESPN.com somewhere, maybe profootballweekly.com

[Edited on 27/10/2004 by jbutts]

saintswhodi · 10-27-2004, 02:08 AM

Culpepper and Leftwich certainly do line up in the shotgun more often than Brooks. And Culpepper has cuty his fumbles drastically. I wanted to get some other opinions but mine is that McCarthy has no idea how to use his weapons in this offense. I think he is stifling Aaron and Deuce instead of letting them grow. Seems he is fine with status quo and not actually improving every year, which is a huge mistake.

jbutts · 10-27-2004, 09:53 AM

it seems Mcarthy holds his scheme over his players.
which is flawed.
you have to balance them both, so that you play to strengths of your players, through the scheme.
just as Denny Green.

saintswhodi · 10-27-2004, 10:02 AM

Exactly how I feel jbutts. If the scheme doesn\'t fit your players, you adjust or you find players that do fit the scheme. McCarthy tries to shove a large square peg into a small round whole. And don\'t even count on in game adjustments. We have a better chance of the stadium fairy offering to build us a new one for free. They should take a look at how bad Vick is struggling in Atlanta. Huge coaching mistake there also. You take the players you have and make a scheme for them, you can\'t take the scheme and continually try to force iton players who aren\'t the best in it. Even Boo is struggling in this scheme asfter a breakout second half of last year.

St.Shrume · 10-27-2004, 10:02 AM

It does seem that McCarhty isn\'t getting the best out of AB and Deuce, and maybe he should be demoted to QB coach. Because he is awesome at that (read up on him), but he is not a good OC.

BUT something has to be done about our O-line. 2nd and 20 and 3rd and 16 are hard to convert even for the best in the league. I really feel our offense hasn\'t been able to get a rhythm all season. Everyone\'s fault, but come one....every drive at elast 1 or 2 false starts, holdings, illegal shifts...etc..... man, sure makes it hard.

2nd half of Raiders game first time I saw a rhythm for our offense, and you saw how they looked....decent.

10-24-2004, 03:46 PM	#1
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Young QBs As I am sitting here watching the Colts/Jags game and watching Byron Leftwich throw perfect pass after perfect pass, I find myself asking myself of course, why are there so many young qbs in the league that seem to be having more success than AB? And I love AB so I am not hating on him, it's just a question. Hasn't AB been in the league longer than Leftwich and Carr and Roethlisberger and as long as McNabb and Culpepper? And I am not blaming AB for our record either. I just see receivers outrunning defenders for these guys, and the qb actually hits them with the ball. Leftwich has thrown two passes in this game that I was sure would be over or underthrown cause I was thinking of AB, but they weren't, they were perfect. Do they all have more talent than AB? Is that all it is? Can someone help me out? I will say again, I AM IN NO WAY BASHING AB OR BLAMING HIM FOR OUR RECORD BEING WHAT IT IS. This is just an observation I wanted to get some opinions on. I have my own, just wanted to hear some others.

10-25-2004, 03:09 PM	#2
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Young QBs bump. I saw someone do this in another thread so I thought i\'d try it.

10-25-2004, 05:00 PM	#3
dberce1 Chuck Liddells Right Hand Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Prairieville, Louisiana Posts: 1,227	Young QBs Let me say I also root for Brooks. However, I\'ve never seen the guy seem \"comfortable\" at the QB position. He just seems extremely jittery to me. He has all the talent, but no pocket presence.

10-25-2004, 05:58 PM	#4
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Young QBs So deberce, in your opinion is that a question of development, or just how he plays? Does he have \"happy feet?\" I know my main problem with AB is his inability to throw a touch pass in any situation. I would have thought the coaches would have worked on him with it like the Texans did with Carr, having him drop a ball into barrels 40 and 50 yards down the field. Or maybe the pressure he gets cause him to not have the ability to set up for a touch pass. I am just trying to figure out why he hasn\'t taken that next step in progression as several 2nd and 3rd and even a rookie qb have.

10-26-2004, 10:59 PM	#5
Saint78 Registered Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 62	Young QBs To quote Coach Haslett \"It all comes back to Coaching\" & our offensive coaching,gameplans,&play-calling absolutely sucks!! Fire McCarthy and get somebody in their that knows how to adjust to a defense, attack a defense\'s weekness,& play to your offensive strenghts & find a true idenity for our offense.
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10-26-2004, 11:25 PM	#6
jbutts Registered Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Baton Rouge Posts: 96	Young QBs ive read in several places that Byron and Daunte both struggled in with fumbles and interception and general mayhem early in their careers. BUT the offensive coordinators have adjusted their schemes to the QBs by allowing more shotgun formation, more vertical passing, etc, to suit the QBs ability. SO we all can agree that AB struggles with touch passes, why dont we throw more long balls? we all can agree AB sometimes struggles with untimely interceptions and fumbles, why dont we put him in the shotgun and give him some more time to see the field? also, in response to what i just wrote, when is an interception ever TIMELY? personally i hate them in them in all aspects of our offense. edit: i cant recall where i read such information, but im sure its on ESPN.com somewhere, maybe profootballweekly.com [Edited on 27/10/2004 by jbutts]

10-27-2004, 02:08 AM	#7
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Young QBs Culpepper and Leftwich certainly do line up in the shotgun more often than Brooks. And Culpepper has cuty his fumbles drastically. I wanted to get some other opinions but mine is that McCarthy has no idea how to use his weapons in this offense. I think he is stifling Aaron and Deuce instead of letting them grow. Seems he is fine with status quo and not actually improving every year, which is a huge mistake.

10-27-2004, 09:53 AM	#8
jbutts Registered Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Baton Rouge Posts: 96	Young QBs it seems Mcarthy holds his scheme over his players. which is flawed. you have to balance them both, so that you play to strengths of your players, through the scheme. just as Denny Green.

10-27-2004, 10:02 AM	#9
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Young QBs Exactly how I feel jbutts. If the scheme doesn\'t fit your players, you adjust or you find players that do fit the scheme. McCarthy tries to shove a large square peg into a small round whole. And don\'t even count on in game adjustments. We have a better chance of the stadium fairy offering to build us a new one for free. They should take a look at how bad Vick is struggling in Atlanta. Huge coaching mistake there also. You take the players you have and make a scheme for them, you can\'t take the scheme and continually try to force iton players who aren\'t the best in it. Even Boo is struggling in this scheme asfter a breakout second half of last year.

10-27-2004, 10:02 AM	#10
St.Shrume 100th Post Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 125	Young QBs It does seem that McCarhty isn\'t getting the best out of AB and Deuce, and maybe he should be demoted to QB coach. Because he is awesome at that (read up on him), but he is not a good OC. BUT something has to be done about our O-line. 2nd and 20 and 3rd and 16 are hard to convert even for the best in the league. I really feel our offense hasn\'t been able to get a rhythm all season. Everyone\'s fault, but come one....every drive at elast 1 or 2 false starts, holdings, illegal shifts...etc..... man, sure makes it hard. 2nd half of Raiders game first time I saw a rhythm for our offense, and you saw how they looked....decent.
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