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2014 The year of the make over?
Its premature but since we are discussing drafts and free agency ... Why not
I will start with my basis. Presently with out restructuring we are $10 over neat years projected cap, and even with restructuring of Brees contract (noted because that is the first place people go) we still have some severely bloated cap numbers in comparison to production. Lets say Drew takes a 10M cut and we are flush going into next year. Would anyone gripe about an 8M Drew Brees? I will not These people are free agents: (listing only names I feel notable) Full List - New Orleans Saints Free Agents - 2014 Jimmy graham Malcom Jenkins Zach Strief Charles Brown Jed Collins Parys Haralson Johnathan Vilma Joe Morgan DLP To resign the free agents you would have to "Find" at least $25M. Players not preforming to their cap figure (my opinion) Jabari Greer $6M <- Jury still out but Corey White is handling business. Will Smith $13M <--Dude will just not go away Lance More <- Love you Lance but its business and your $5m is difficult to swallow with Stills preforming the way he is and if its between Jimmy graham and you... You would keep Jimmy also. (Lance has no dead money associated) 2014 Cap hits- New Orleans Saints Salary Cap - 2014 Breakdown The point of this thread is that we need to get ready to see some old favorites gone. Has this season taught us that the old familiar names of the players we have Jerseys for do not cripple us when they are gone? Look where we are with out: Will Smith Johnathan Vlma Jabari Greer |
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No argument here.
Vilma's been showing his age for years, and Greer is really starting to. Not sure if Smith ever had "it," but he sure don't have it anymore. Obviously we wanna keep Graham, and it wouldn't hurt to keep Strief & Collins around, too. |
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Was looking at this last night. Currently $11.13 million over for next year.
-Cutting Will Smith alone will get you under the cap, but that is before signing any free agents. -Cutting Harper is another 2.1 million. I wouldn't be surprised if Jenkins is gone as well, that's 1.65 million. -As much as we all like Lance Moore, is he really worth his contract? Cutting him is another 2.5 million, although I think we would see him restructured rather than cut outright. -The contract that is really killing this team right now is Ben Grubbs. IMO. His cap number is over 9.1 million and his performance is maybe worth 1/3 of that. Cutting him would provide almost no cap savings, but I think he would be a major candidate for a pay cut restructure. -I am hardly an expert but from what I gather roughly 90% of Brees' 10.75 million base salary can be converted to signing bonus. So let's call that 9 million savings. -I love Jabari Greer. I would absolutely hate to see him go. But we have a true #1 corner and multiple candidates for a good #2. This would save 3.175 million. I am using the calculator at Salary Cap Calculator - Over the Cap . That doesn't account for all the various loopholes in the cap structure like dead money rollover that Loomis exploits every year, nor does it account for the cap increase next year which should be 3 or 4 million. BUT, I think it gives you a pretty good idea how we could go from 11 million over to 20 million under, giving us a fair amount of money to sign our own guys. Strief, Haralson, De la Puente, Graham, Collins, Bush are the guys that strike me as worth being re-signed. As long as we have Brees there is a window to be competitive. I think a lot like the Colts with Peyton Manning, you keep pushing it back and pushing it back, then when he goes you blow the team up, take it on the nose for one year and put yourself back in position to be good again after a rebuild. |
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they've done a pretty good job of staffing the saints in the SP era.
i trust the coaches and staff decisions. they get people like colston outta nowhere. greer is nearing the end of his career. hate to see it, but life goes on. |
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I know we are gonna see some favorites gone next year. I just don't wanna think about it.
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Looking at the site above, I can re-sign Strief, Herring, Bush, Haralson, Meachem, Humber, De la Puente, Collins and Quddus, and franchise tag Graham. Even though my guess is they will replace several of the above with younger, cheaper players.
Then restructure Brees 90% base salary and cut Smith, Harper, Greer, Moore and Ingram. You come out roughly 4.5 million under the cap with 47 players signed. There are a couple other fairly high dollar players you could cut too - Jenkins, Bunkley, even somebody like Victor Butler and restructure Grubbs' terrible contract - and that would save another 8-10 million or so. |
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Anybody think Lelito could would be an adequate replacement for Grubbs?
Stills for Moore? Do we stick with DLP just because of the money? What do we do with Ingram? Is he cuttable? Is he any good? I see people talking about letting Malcom Jenkins go. Is that wise? The guy has had his best year as a Saint and if Greer doesn't make it back he's the most experienced DB on the team. (assuming Harper walks) Strief isn't going anywhere. Do we keep both Haralson and Butler? Is that economically feasible? |
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Why all the negative Greer talk? I realize he is getting up there in age, and he may not come back the same player after his ACL tear, but we owe him that chance imo. As good as White has been (and I'm a huge White supporter), Greer was also playing really well before his injury.
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We're bumping the cap. If he wants to restructure, fine. But he's probably not a $6 million player, even if he came back healthy. Every high dollar player we keep makes it harder to sign Graham, Jenkins, Brown, Collins, Haralson and Strief. Not to mention potential free-agents we may desire. |
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I still hope we can find a way to keep him though. (without losing other big names..) I'd hate for him to go out a Saint with that injury. |
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I think it's too early for this. When we started talking about the draft a couple of weeks ago we lost the next game. I am highly superstitious and think this is premature. jmho
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Bingo. Keenan Lewis is our only CB now that deserves that kind of money. Time to forget about being sentimental and have Greer restructure or try to find it elsewhere. It's business. |
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Maybe the Giants will take Smith off our hands for 7th, I mean they traded for Beason. Hell i'd give them a 7th rounder to take Smith off our hands.
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Dig deeper brother. Use Spotrac and it's all there. 3.5M dead money for Smith http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-orlea...ts/will-smith/ 3.6M dead money for Harper http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-orlea.../roman-harper/ This view should show you everyone's dead money if cut in 2014. If not go to 2013 cap hits then change the year to 2014. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-orlea.../cap-hit/2014/ On a different note somewhat we may also see Colston gone..... Probably traded, his cap hit doubles http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-orlea...rques-colston/ Then there is the whole you either have a young QB and veteran receivers it veteran QB and young receivers but where we are our veteran receivers and veteran QB may depart around the same time. |
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http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/14/unynyny5.jpg http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/14/a9uhenaq.jpg Deal with it. |
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As fans we may have to just pool funds and pay Smith to vanish.
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when will we learn our lesson on big contracts for linemen?
are we still paying Charles Grant too? Smith might be part of the rotation next year just bc we can't afford to cut him |
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3.5 million to cut him We've probablt seen the last of Will Smith folks. Will Smith Contracts, Salaries, Cap Hits, & Transactions |
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The only lineman I would like to see get big money is Cam Jordan.
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Drew is making a gazillion dollars in advertizing
I never liked his holdout deal Felt it just wasn't like his character Tell your agent to take a hike Give most of it back and line up a super bowl roster for the ages |
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Incoherent rambling from dentist chair, extraction.... Will smith, vilma, shouldn't have been brought back this year but its not our call, Jabari has never played a fully healthy season but this year was just real unfortunate he's gone with smith and vilma. Put Jenkins on that bus to there's no where to place him where he is not vunerale. Restructure Harper if he's staying, restructure on Brees, franchise jimmy and pray that Brees can talk him into signing. Again incoherent but those are my first thoughts on the subject
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How much would cutting Tom Benson save? I mean we got Rita and he's overbthe hill.
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We also have P.Rob who was looking pretty good this year b4 he went down. I would like to see us pick up a top corner in FA and move White to saftey. If we go that route,we can definitely let Greer and Harper walk. Not sure if that would work out,but on paper,that looks like a hell of a secondary matched up with a bad ass D line!
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As the old saying goes, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. And White is far from broke playing CB. What I think would be a great idea is if we kept Lewis and White at boundry corners, and when Robinson comes back, we let Chris Carr walk in favor of making Robinson our slot corner. That'd work out well for everybody imo. |
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I like White at corner but with his tackling/hitting I do think he would make a pretty good safety who can cover man-on-man better than most safeties. Imagine White and Vacarro back there with Lewis/Greer/Robinson as the corners. That could be a really good group.
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Vs ATL - He was really bad in the first half, but in the second half, he really tightened up his coverage. The WR he was covering against ATL was Darius Johnson. I don't think he allowed a reception that whole second half, I could very well be wrong on that though. I am not sure how he performed against Seattle. To be honest, I was too aggravated at how that game was turning out to make judgements on individual players. :lol: Against Carolina, he didn't allow a single reception all game according to profootballfocus. Depending on how he played vs Seattle, he could be considered lockdown since becoming a starter. If he didn't really play that well vs Seattle though, then he's just a young player with a bright future which is completely fine. Does anybody here have a profootballfocus subscription? If so, would you please tell me how Corey White performed that game? |
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Smith, Patrick Robinson will and should be cut. Restructure Greer, Moore, Grubbs, Evans and Colston. I could see freeing up 25 mil just here. |
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Loomis has said on numerous occasions to expect a 20-25% turnover on the roster year over year. If true we can expect at least 10 of those either on the roster or IR to be gone next year.
I expect Vilma, Smith, Coleman, Greer, PRob, Strief, Herring, Harper, Moore, McCown, Watson, Meachem, and (drum roll) Ingram (traded)....to be seeking employment elsewhere. The Saints will have six picks next year as they gave up a late round pick to the 49ers. They always find two or three UDFA, and a few FA. I also think Brown will be signed and moved to the right side (making Strief expendable). I would like to think the Saints would give serious consideration to Veldheer (Oakland), if available, at LT. |
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This Defense as it is close to craking the code..... if you play the next season right you won't need much but staying healthy... How you is complex... but Loomis makes these things simple.
Me personally - I would never cut Lance, restructure or trade because of Stills, but cut naw... You cut Lance you might as well stick a Patriots Jersey on him and give him 100 catches!!! They would drop Amendola in a hot second to get a receiver who does what Welker could do with out injury. And that's Lance. If you trade Moore...You want Talib and probably nothing less.... As a matter of fact... I think the one thing you want in free agency is another CB like you discovered in Lewis this season. - Will Smith cut - Greer cut - Love what he has done for us, but I can't keep him here for that. - Vima cut - Meachum cut - Herring cut - Jenkins cut - Harper restructured or cut - Drew Brees Restructured... convert money into signing bonus. - Butler Restructured - Coleman restructured or cut. - Jimmy Graham Exclusive Rights Franchise Tag.... you know the one where nobody can talk contract with him but your team You will also be able to get out of your contract with Ingram to go into the draft in maybe the 3 rd and grab a new RB if you decide not to resign him... DLP can be brought back on the cheap Morgan as Well.... |
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The only reason Smith is still here
Is because more than 1/2 would have been lost in the divorce. Next year the upside is huge. Moore will not be here next season. Stills has taken over nearly all his targets. We need a turn-over and this looks like the year to do it. If you wait too long you end up with rookie receivers and a rookie QB. Both is not a good recipe. |
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Danno was not defending Smith, he was stating the reason that next season is the time to go . The ONLY reason Will Smith was not cut this season is because we couldn't. You don't cut a player when you are overhauling a defense... need depth... and not sure how serviceable he will be in a new position to save $900k. |
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Talib skills are there if you keep him on the field. pass damaged goods
Jimmy Graham Exclusive Rights Franchise Tag i can live with that move because he will become the highest paid TE in the NFL due to the fact he never lines up in a TE set. plus i believe that condition puts a first and third round pick on him also (drum roll) Ingram (traded) yep the can of worms that wont go away 2 first and say two thirds and lose Gram and Ingram. Gram you would need to replace and add a WR to equal out production. Ingram is a luxury that has been injured since day one and may get you a 3rd. 2014 will be fun |
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