2014 NFL Draft

TheOak · 02-24-2014, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by exile

I have to disagree with you a bit here Oak. QBs times used to be moot but with today's hybrid QBs. It's a big deal.

Kindly re-read what I said "40 times for QBs are moot". Quickness is most important.

E.g. 20 yard shuttle. 3 cone drill.. Explosiveness and agility. It is more important that a QB can duck, dive, dodge a wrench than cover 40 yards.

Manziel was 4th in the 40 but #1 in the 20 yard shuttle.

QBs rarely cover 40 yards in a play.

exile · 02-24-2014, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Kindly re-read what I said "40 times for QBs are moot". Quickness is most important.

I read it correctly. But I still have nightmares of Newton taking a corner and running down the field like a gazelle being chased by *****cats. So yeah, I still think the 40 is pretty important to a certain class of QBs. Quickness is also important, I get that.

TheOak · 02-24-2014, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by exile

I read it correctly. But I still have nightmares of Newton taking a corner and running down the field like a gazelle being chased by *****cats. So yeah, I still think the 40 is pretty important to a certain class of QBs. Quickness is also important, I get that.

99% of QBs only get to open field because of quickness. Newton is a different dynamic because he can break arm tackles to get free. Wilson and Kaepernick get to open field through quickness.

K Major · 02-24-2014, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Kind of disappointed by D'Anthony Thomas in the 40... Dri Archer definitely stole the show. Of course speed isn't everything but Archer and Jeff Janis made themselves a little extra money this weekend.

Agreed but I will take a page from Mike Mayock in that a lot of teams fall in love with the #'s but the better organizations that draft well include all factors and don't go over board with measurables. Just factor in college production and the tape (I would apply this to Jarvis Landry).

saintsfan1976 · 02-24-2014, 11:40 AM

I'll tell ya where speed is crucial today - LINEBACKER

I hope we draft a speedy, playmaking linebacker this year.

Like Vaccaro, but heavier.

jeanpierre · 02-24-2014, 01:34 PM

Day 2 Combine Report: Hail to the underrated | Audibles - SI.com

Janis told me that he models himself after Green Bay’s Jordy Nelson, and I can see the comparison.

hagan714 · 02-24-2014, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Day 2 Combine Report: Hail to the underrated | Audibles - SI.com

Janis told me that he models himself after Green Bay’s Jordy Nelson, and I can see the comparison.

but would you spend a 3rd because i think he will be off the board in the fourth, nis size and speed? some one is going to take him early

i am toying with the idea

besides he can do what Meachem and Henderson did. streak deep for the first year

Danno · 02-24-2014, 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

I'll tell ya where speed is crucial today - LINEBACKER

I hope we draft a speedy, playmaking linebacker this year.

Like Vaccaro, but heavier.

Kinda like what we thought we'd get in Martez Wilson?

I want one too.

Also, Vaccaro isn't really a "speedy" safety. His speed is probably average for a safety. He timed about the same as Harper and Jenkins did.

hagan714 · 02-24-2014, 08:16 PM

players i will be watching for later rounds

Donte Johnson NC State FS/CB 6020 200 4.48?
Brandon Dixon NW Missouri St CB/FS 5111 202 4.35?
Johnathan Downey Western Kentucky 6022 FS/SS 198 4.42 ?

jeanpierre · 02-24-2014, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Kinda like what we thought we'd get in Martez Wilson?

I want one too.

Also, Vaccaro isn't really a "speedy" safety. His speed is probably average for a safety. He timed about the same as Harper and Jenkins did.

Yeah, but I'll tell you...

Vaccaro plays faster and smoother than those two ever played for us...

But, it's still early, at least two more years to fairly compare...

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02-24-2014, 10:25 AM	#481
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	2014 NFL Draft Originally Posted by exile I have to disagree with you a bit here Oak. QBs times used to be moot but with today's hybrid QBs. It's a big deal. Kindly re-read what I said "40 times for QBs are moot". Quickness is most important. E.g. 20 yard shuttle. 3 cone drill.. Explosiveness and agility. It is more important that a QB can duck, dive, dodge a wrench than cover 40 yards. Manziel was 4th in the 40 but #1 in the 20 yard shuttle. QBs rarely cover 40 yards in a play.
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02-24-2014, 10:32 AM	#482
exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Re: 2014 NFL Draft Originally Posted by TheOak Kindly re-read what I said "40 times for QBs are moot". Quickness is most important. I read it correctly. But I still have nightmares of Newton taking a corner and running down the field like a gazelle being chased by *****cats. So yeah, I still think the 40 is pretty important to a certain class of QBs. Quickness is also important, I get that.
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02-24-2014, 10:35 AM	#483
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: 2014 NFL Draft Originally Posted by exile I read it correctly. But I still have nightmares of Newton taking a corner and running down the field like a gazelle being chased by *****cats. So yeah, I still think the 40 is pretty important to a certain class of QBs. Quickness is also important, I get that. 99% of QBs only get to open field because of quickness. Newton is a different dynamic because he can break arm tackles to get free. Wilson and Kaepernick get to open field through quickness.

02-24-2014, 11:15 AM	#484
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2014 NFL Draft Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Kind of disappointed by D'Anthony Thomas in the 40... Dri Archer definitely stole the show. Of course speed isn't everything but Archer and Jeff Janis made themselves a little extra money this weekend. Agreed but I will take a page from Mike Mayock in that a lot of teams fall in love with the #'s but the better organizations that draft well include all factors and don't go over board with measurables. Just factor in college production and the tape (I would apply this to Jarvis Landry).

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02-24-2014, 11:40 AM	#485
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2014 NFL Draft I'll tell ya where speed is crucial today - LINEBACKER I hope we draft a speedy, playmaking linebacker this year. Like Vaccaro, but heavier. Danno and hagan714 like this.

02-24-2014, 01:34 PM	#486
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2014 NFL Draft Day 2 Combine Report: Hail to the underrated \| Audibles - SI.com Janis told me that he models himself after Green Bay’s Jordy Nelson, and I can see the comparison. hagan714 likes this.

02-24-2014, 07:45 PM	#487
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2014 NFL Draft Originally Posted by jeanpierre Day 2 Combine Report: Hail to the underrated \| Audibles - SI.com Janis told me that he models himself after Green Bay’s Jordy Nelson, and I can see the comparison. but would you spend a 3rd because i think he will be off the board in the fourth, nis size and speed? some one is going to take him early i am toying with the idea besides he can do what Meachem and Henderson did. streak deep for the first year
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02-24-2014, 07:58 PM	#488
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: 2014 NFL Draft Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 I'll tell ya where speed is crucial today - LINEBACKER I hope we draft a speedy, playmaking linebacker this year. Like Vaccaro, but heavier. Kinda like what we thought we'd get in Martez Wilson? I want one too. Also, Vaccaro isn't really a "speedy" safety. His speed is probably average for a safety. He timed about the same as Harper and Jenkins did. saintsfan1976 likes this.

02-24-2014, 08:16 PM	#489
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2014 NFL Draft players i will be watching for later rounds Donte Johnson NC State FS/CB 6020 200 4.48? Brandon Dixon NW Missouri St CB/FS 5111 202 4.35? Johnathan Downey Western Kentucky 6022 FS/SS 198 4.42 ?

02-24-2014, 08:25 PM	#490
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2014 NFL Draft Originally Posted by Danno Kinda like what we thought we'd get in Martez Wilson? I want one too. Also, Vaccaro isn't really a "speedy" safety. His speed is probably average for a safety. He timed about the same as Harper and Jenkins did. Yeah, but I'll tell you... Vaccaro plays faster and smoother than those two ever played for us... But, it's still early, at least two more years to fairly compare...

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