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{Screeching Brakes}

Sean needs an old friend on the staff for his personal well-being and can always lend his leadership to right the ship when it comes to the kicking game...

Note: As a member of the Coach Parcells coaching tree, Sean Payton will need to follow Parcells convention and call it kicking and not special teams as they're is nothing special about those guys... ;)

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Kickalicious!!!

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am i the only one that thinks coverage on special teams have been a whole lot better this year?

return game has been a bit of a disappointment and needs to addressed. a dynamic returner would be nice but i look at the blocking and i rank it pretty low. most of the tackles seem to becoming from players right up the middle of the field

kicking has been well a shot gun effect for a few years now. ever since the hip injury Heartly never was the same.

now to gut it all? i am not ready to go that far.

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No, that was 2011. In 2012, we lost to the Packers in Lambeau and Hartley missed the game winner wide left.

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I thought he would be gone after getting suspended to be honest. He'd get into bad favor and then quasi redeem himself. He probably would have this time too if not for that 2nd miss. Can't have that this late in the season.

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Btw, Tulane kicker is the #1 for this upcoming draft. Could we have a Tulane PK and a Tulane QB starting next year? I kid I kid.

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i need some tulane homers to give me the scoop on the kid

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I'll be at the R-L Carriers Bowl in the Superdome this Saturday to pull for the Greenie Weenie's. Although I'm an LSU alum, I live about 1/2 mile from Tulane and grabbed some tickets to the Bowl game against ULL.

I promise to come back with a scouting report. Unfortunately, place kicker scouting reports are about as exciting as a turd floating in a punch bowl.

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Agree, something needs to be done. I think we have some good special teams players but nobody that's really dynamic. We could really use a Fred McAfee, Gleason or Roby type, somebody that is a real ace special teamer on kick and punt returns and who all the young players look up to. We don't have a single player like that right now.

Other than that, getting a decent kicker should not be too hard. McMahon's track record at this point does not look good. Those should be the big concerns on ST's right now.

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Thanks for 09 but this has been coming for a while and he cant say he hasn't been given every chance to come through a rough spell.

Onwards and upward

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New avatar?
Homey D in the hizzar!
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I still laugh when I see Anton Jackson. This ole box

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So glad Hartley is gone yes his leg brought us to to the Super Bowl in 09 but I believe it's time !

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That is the most patience I have ever seen Sean Payton have with a kicker. Use to be kicker miss a few kicks he was outta of the door.

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Sean Payton, Drew Brees, and Darren Sharper brought us to and won a SB for the Saints in 2009. These people preformed beyond what "expectations" are for their position. Hartley's job was FGs, and had he kicked a 60 yarder then that would be outside of expectations. Hartley attempted 1 FG over 50 yards that year and missed... everything else was 39 yards or less in regular season.

If you know the 2009 season then you know John Carney started 11 games worth 50 XTP and 13 FGs, while Hartley only played in 5 games regular season. He did not kick the onside kick in the SB.

He did kick the FG to put us ahead of Washington but as a matter of record Hartley went 50% against TB in game 15 and missed a 37 yarder on the final drive and we lost by 3 points.

Games Lost by Hartley: (in the spirit of games lost by a margin = or less than his missed FGs)

2012:
Green bay 48 yarder
Kansas City 38 yarder

2011:
Missed the entire season

2010:
Atlanta - 29 yarder

2009
Tampa Bay 37 yarder

Did he win a Super Bowl for us? No
With out his 3 FGs we still win 22-17

Is a kicker making a 40 yard FG impressive? I do not think so, that is his job and what he did in the NFCC.
In Hartley's career he has lost more games for us than won.

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Well, I'm thankful for what he did for the team and the fans. However, I feel it was time for a change.

Best of luck to him.

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First off, if Hartley missed those 3 FGs, the Colts get the ball in good field position and they would probably score points on all three possessions.

If making multiple 40+ yd FGs isn't that impressive, then why is it a Super Bowl record? And they were also made outside, not exactly an indoor kickers comfort zone.

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BTW, I think we just took a 1.3 million cap hit for 2014.

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Hartley was instrumental in the Superbowl run. What a great memory watching his kick sail through the uprights against Minn to send them to the Superbowl. Three big FG's in the superbowl.
Thanks for the THOSE memories Hartley. Since then, (or the missed FG against Atlanta for me), it's been a downhill slide and Payton gave him every opportunity and then some.
Good Luck Hartley in your next venture.

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Damn it took two games left in the season to cut him why wasn't Brown and Strief sorry asses wasn't cut either.

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But they are streaky
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Because Brown makes a good back-up and Strief is our best O-lineman this year?

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If he missed in the Super Bowl, the Colts are in good field position! LOL Great scenario except it DIDN'T Happen! He hit all 3 and the Saints won the game. That's what winning does. You have arguments over "What Ifs"

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:: The Official Website of Pro Bowler Shayne Graham ::

Get to know your new kicker. If he ever updates the website.

"Shayne Graham is one of the most accurate kickers in the NFL and ranks in the top three most accurate kickers in the NFL. Graham has converted 245 of 287 field goals for an 85 field goal percentage, the third best total in NFL history. He has made 368 of 373 extra points in his NFL career. In 2007 Graham began the season second all-time in career NFL field goal accuracy, and though he dipped to third place after Week 1, he regained the No. 2 spot after Week 2 and held it the remainder of the season. Shayne is a veteran of twelve NFL seasons with the Buffalo Bills (2001), Carolina Panthers (2002), Cincinnati Bengals (2003-09), New York Giants (2010), New England Patriots (2010), Miami Dolphins (2011), Baltimore Ravens (2011), Houston Texans (2012)."

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I responded to the post that the Saints won by 14 points so the 3 FGs Hartley made weren't that important; I was trying to point out that since the opposing team gets the ball where a missed FG is kicked from, if Hartley MISSED all 3 FGs in the Super Bowl, that would have given the Colts excellent field position.

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1. "ifs" huh? How about "If" we punted they wouldn't have had good field position... Jeese. Colts had 8 possessions and 2 TDs. The game winning play was Porters Pick 6.

As I said kicking 3 FGs in 1 game less than 50 yards is not impressive. Its expected. Hartley did it 8 times in his career with the Saints. Does doing it in the SB mean he is a better kicker than a kicker that does it in week 3? No. Mainly because for a kicker how good the opponent is opponent doesn't matter. Hartley kicked 3 FG in Sun Life Stadium is about all it amounts to.

If Hartley is that good why does he hold 1 record in regular season? His Adderall Season/Rookie Season he went 13/13...

2. If you find all my replies on Hartley you would see or know that Hartley is better outdoors. That IS his comfort zone. So is kicking on the road. We are a flippen dome team and he was worse indoors, on grass, at home by no less than a 10% margin...

Career Splits
73% Home
87% Road
Garrett Hartley Career Splits - Pro-Football-Reference.com

87% Outdoors
76% Indoors

87% Grass
77% Turf
Y! SPORTS

This season its worse than career
69% Home
76% Road

84% Outdoors
64% Indoors

87% Grass
68% Turf

At the very least you have to agree that Hartley is a poor fit for a dome team. Like him, love him, buy his jersey while you can.. He is gone and his career as a Saint was much like Milli Vanilli.. He was a 1 hit wonder in 2009 and there is nothing else to hold on to.

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Geaux Hokies! :D

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Way too much drama for a kicker. There was always something. They gave him more opportunities than most get.

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I think Strief makes a better back up too, but that's just me. I thought it was dumb to put him at LT last game. He's never looked like a great pass blocker, especially when you've got an athletic freak lIke Quinn.

How are Stinchcomb and Jamaal Brown? Get in shape fellas.

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kickers don't have much room for error in the NFL

nothing new...

thanks for the kicks you did make, which were the vast majority.

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Yup. I was just thinking this same thing last night after reading the pages and pages of howling for McMahon's head over on SR.

But there is some value in having someone around you, who knew you way back "before you were famous". ... I am sure that McMahon can probably give Payton unvarnished advice and private feedback on lots of things, that other coaches maybe wouldn't or couldn't say.

Different arena, but John Lennon of the Beatles had a guy named Pete Shotton who was his school buddy, who remained on the Beatles "payroll" all the way until the late '70s. He was not the greatest roadie or guitar tuner or coffee fetcher ever, but he could give advice and tell Lennon or Paul McCartney when he was making a big mistake or was full of s---t, or if that new song they were writing sucked. And that's important in a job like Payton's.

Lastly, jeanpierre probably remembers this....in '09 just before the Super Bowl run, our special teams looked really dismal for a stretch. There was the missed field goal in OT in the Bucs game, and some other stuff...I think the Bucs returned a punt, penalties, they looked bad in the Cowboys game, I don't remember what.

And Sean Payton said on that Monday or Tuesday, that he was going to PERSONALLY intervene and fix the special teams. (I remember this quote vividly because I was home from work sick that week, and watched the presser on a laptop with headphones. He said he would PERSONALLY look into it.)

So you know Payton went into the film room with McMahon and burned the midnight oil, he drew some stuff up with the X's and O's, went over it all with him, gave it his personal focused attention...the end result was Reggie went crazy the next week on punt returns in the Cardinals game, Pierre Thomas returned the opening kickoff in overtime against Minnesota to set up the great field position for the field goal drive, Hartley was money all through the NFC Championship game and Super Bowl, then you had Ambush.....

...so I am sure that once Payton gives McMahon some help and focus, it will light a fire there. The part of the season where Payton gets mad at McMahon is always the best part.

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@MikeTriplett: Great line from new #Saints kicker Shayne Graham: "Luckily there's no playbook to learn."

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Since SP isn't using PT much in the running game, think he will use him in the playoffs to run back KOs?

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We all have someone we bounce things off of, a person we accept tough love from. That doesn't mean we employ them and make them a part of a team that requires a skill set other than personal confidant. I have a close personal friend I go to for advice also, but we do not work together and that is why I go to him, he is neutral. We have worked together in the past and I went elsewhere because there was a possibility that his opinion could have not been completely impartial.

The purist advice is always given from someone with no skin in the game.

If Sean Payton is keeping McMahon around because he needs a buddy then his best interest is not the team.