Hartley waived and Shayne Graham Signed [MERGED]

12-17-2013, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

I thought early on that special teams play will determine how far we get in the playoffs.

I am not sad to see him go one single bit. He made 2 decent kicks our Super Bowl year and thats the ONLY reason hes been around this long. He has ridden on the coat tails of those kicks ever since. That goes for any player, like Vilma. I dont care how far your play gets us, when your done producing you should be gone and replaced by someone who can. Screw this "Oh we owe him because he helped us get to the Super Bowl jibber jabber. I will say the same thing with Brees when his time comes. When it comes time where someone else can do a better job then see ya. Thankfully that wont be for a long long time.

Doesnt mean I dont apprieciate what they have done, but if we arent constantly trying to get better at every position, every year, we wont get back to where we want to be.

2 decent kicks our Super Bowl year? I can think of half a dozen off the top of my head:

1.The kick that sent the NFCC game to OT
2. The kick that WON the NFCC game
3. The Ambush kick in the Super Bowl
4. The 3 40+ yd FGs he made that kept the Saints in the game and also set a Super Bowl record.

exile · 12-17-2013, 09:38 PM

It was time. Graham is good. I really wanted Rackers though.

saintsfan1976 · 12-17-2013, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

2 decent kicks our Super Bowl year? I can think of half a dozen off the top of my head:

1.The kick that sent the NFCC game to OT
2. The kick that WON the NFCC game
3. The Ambush kick in the Super Bowl
4. The 3 40+ yd FGs he made that kept the Saints in the game and also set a Super Bowl record.

3 was moorestead

WhoDat!656 · 12-17-2013, 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

3 was moorestead

Thanks for the correction

jeanpierre · 12-17-2013, 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

Even if Hartley made his 2 kicks Sunday, that is only 6 points and the Saints lost by 17.

Though I wasn't a pro by any means, I've played in some big games where missed "chip shots" absolutely killed momentum...

And any point is big in the NFL...

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

2 decent kicks our Super Bowl year? I can think of half a dozen off the top of my head:

1.The kick that sent the NFCC game to OT
2. The kick that WON the NFCC game
3. The Ambush kick in the Super Bowl
4. The 3 40+ yd FGs he made that kept the Saints in the game and also set a Super Bowl record.

You're absolutely dead-on right, he's been a big part of the biggest wins in our franchise history and deserves an honored place in Saints history...

However, when you become a liability to the team's effort, it's time to put the team first and step aside...

At the right time, the Saints should and I think will honor Garrett Hartley for his contributions and time will heal the wounds of the misses...

BreesFN9 · 12-17-2013, 09:59 PM

Overdue needless to say.it was good roster move, good luck Graham and welcome.

jeanpierre · 12-17-2013, 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Wow, I'm showing my age but I can't resist...

Homie don't play!

Daman Wayans?!? That's not old...

Budsdrinker · 12-17-2013, 10:05 PM

Hartley needed a change of scenery to get the bats out of his head but he just like Porter will always be remembered for 2009 and Superbowl 44

Schmohams · 12-17-2013, 10:09 PM

ST needs to be revamped, start from ground zero, fire Mcmahon and extend Moarstead's contract, get Chris Boswell or Cairo Santos, draft a fresh set of legs like Cordarrell Patterson or Tavon Austin, then look for UDFAs for studs like Gleason. We suck on special teams and it could seriously help our game if we stepped up.

dueceloose · 12-17-2013, 10:16 PM

I'm not mad at Sean for this move but its not like a total shock kinda saw it coming and Carr has been off and on the roster another move that's not shocking. Hartley at least got a ring out of it.

I wonder if anyone will still be as nervous when we kick now that hes gone

12-17-2013, 09:34 PM	#71
Threaded by WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,001 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by The Dude I thought early on that special teams play will determine how far we get in the playoffs. I am not sad to see him go one single bit. He made 2 decent kicks our Super Bowl year and thats the ONLY reason hes been around this long. He has ridden on the coat tails of those kicks ever since. That goes for any player, like Vilma. I dont care how far your play gets us, when your done producing you should be gone and replaced by someone who can. Screw this "Oh we owe him because he helped us get to the Super Bowl jibber jabber. I will say the same thing with Brees when his time comes. When it comes time where someone else can do a better job then see ya. Thankfully that wont be for a long long time. Doesnt mean I dont apprieciate what they have done, but if we arent constantly trying to get better at every position, every year, we wont get back to where we want to be. 2 decent kicks our Super Bowl year? I can think of half a dozen off the top of my head: 1.The kick that sent the NFCC game to OT 2. The kick that WON the NFCC game 3. The Ambush kick in the Super Bowl 4. The 3 40+ yd FGs he made that kept the Saints in the game and also set a Super Bowl record. hagan714 and Mardigras9 like this.
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12-17-2013, 09:38 PM	#72
exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Re: Hartley waived and Shayne Graham Signed [MERGED] It was time. Graham is good. I really wanted Rackers though.
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12-17-2013, 09:41 PM	#73
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,529 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Hartley waived and Shayne Graham Signed [MERGED] Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 2 decent kicks our Super Bowl year? I can think of half a dozen off the top of my head: 1.The kick that sent the NFCC game to OT 2. The kick that WON the NFCC game 3. The Ambush kick in the Super Bowl 4. The 3 40+ yd FGs he made that kept the Saints in the game and also set a Super Bowl record. 3 was moorestead Halo, TheOak and Mr.Riaton like this.

12-17-2013, 09:48 PM	#74
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,001	Re: Hartley waived and Shayne Graham Signed [MERGED] Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 3 was moorestead Thanks for the correction

12-17-2013, 09:57 PM	#75
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Hartley waived and Shayne Graham Signed [MERGED] Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 Even if Hartley made his 2 kicks Sunday, that is only 6 points and the Saints lost by 17. Though I wasn't a pro by any means, I've played in some big games where missed "chip shots" absolutely killed momentum... And any point is big in the NFL... Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 2 decent kicks our Super Bowl year? I can think of half a dozen off the top of my head: 1.The kick that sent the NFCC game to OT 2. The kick that WON the NFCC game 3. The Ambush kick in the Super Bowl 4. The 3 40+ yd FGs he made that kept the Saints in the game and also set a Super Bowl record. You're absolutely dead-on right, he's been a big part of the biggest wins in our franchise history and deserves an honored place in Saints history... However, when you become a liability to the team's effort, it's time to put the team first and step aside... At the right time, the Saints should and I think will honor Garrett Hartley for his contributions and time will heal the wounds of the misses... hagan714 likes this.
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12-17-2013, 09:59 PM	#76
BreesFN9 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Posts: 596	Re: Hartley waived and Shayne Graham Signed [MERGED] Overdue needless to say.it was good roster move, good luck Graham and welcome.

12-17-2013, 10:03 PM	#77
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Hartley Released Originally Posted by Danno Wow, I'm showing my age but I can't resist... Homie don't play! Daman Wayans?!? That's not old...

12-17-2013, 10:05 PM	#78
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Hartley waived and Shayne Graham Signed [MERGED] Hartley needed a change of scenery to get the bats out of his head but he just like Porter will always be remembered for 2009 and Superbowl 44 jeanpierre and SaintsBro like this.

12-17-2013, 10:09 PM	#79
Schmohams 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Texas Posts: 551	Re: Hartley waived and Shayne Graham Signed [MERGED] ST needs to be revamped, start from ground zero, fire Mcmahon and extend Moarstead's contract, get Chris Boswell or Cairo Santos, draft a fresh set of legs like Cordarrell Patterson or Tavon Austin, then look for UDFAs for studs like Gleason. We suck on special teams and it could seriously help our game if we stepped up. TheOak likes this.

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dueceloose 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 957	Re: Hartley waived and Shayne Graham Signed [MERGED] I'm not mad at Sean for this move but its not like a total shock kinda saw it coming and Carr has been off and on the roster another move that's not shocking. Hartley at least got a ring out of it. I wonder if anyone will still be as nervous when we kick now that hes gone
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