Hartley waived and Shayne Graham Signed [MERGED]

TheOak · 12-18-2013, 07:43 AM

Sean Payton, Drew Brees, and Darren Sharper brought us to and won a SB for the Saints in 2009. These people preformed beyond what "expectations" are for their position. Hartley's job was FGs, and had he kicked a 60 yarder then that would be outside of expectations. Hartley attempted 1 FG over 50 yards that year and missed... everything else was 39 yards or less in regular season.

If you know the 2009 season then you know John Carney started 11 games worth 50 XTP and 13 FGs, while Hartley only played in 5 games regular season. He did not kick the onside kick in the SB.

He did kick the FG to put us ahead of Washington but as a matter of record Hartley went 50% against TB in game 15 and missed a 37 yarder on the final drive and we lost by 3 points.

Games Lost by Hartley: (in the spirit of games lost by a margin = or less than his missed FGs)

2012:
Green bay 48 yarder
Kansas City 38 yarder

2011:
Missed the entire season

2010:
Atlanta - 29 yarder

2009
Tampa Bay 37 yarder

Did he win a Super Bowl for us? No
With out his 3 FGs we still win 22-17

Is a kicker making a 40 yard FG impressive? I do not think so, that is his job and what he did in the NFCC.
In Hartley's career he has lost more games for us than won.

WhoDat!656 · 12-18-2013, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Sean Payton, Drew Brees, and Darren Sharper brought us to and won a SB for the Saints in 2009. These people preformed beyond what "expectations" are for their position. Hartley's job was FGs, and had he kicked a 60 yarder then that would be outside of expectations. Hartley attempted 1 FG over 50 yards that year and missed... everything else was 39 yards or less in regular season.

If you know the 2009 season then you know John Carney started 11 games worth 50 XTP and 13 FGs, while Hartley only played in 5 games regular season. He did not kick the onside kick in the SB.

He did kick the FG to put us ahead of Washington but as a matter of record Hartley went 50% against TB in game 15 and missed a 37 yarder on the final drive and we lost by 3 points.

Games Lost by Hartley: (in the spirit of games lost by a margin = or less than his missed FGs)

2012:
Green bay 48 yarder
Kansas City 38 yarder

2011:
Missed the entire season

2010:
Atlanta - 29 yarder

2009
Tampa Bay 37 yarder

Did he win a Super Bowl for us? No
With out his 3 FGs we still win 22-17

Is a kicker making a 40 yard FG impressive? I do not think so, that is his job and what he did in the NFCC.
In Hartley's career he has lost more games for us than won.

First off, if Hartley missed those 3 FGs, the Colts get the ball in good field position and they would probably score points on all three possessions.

If making multiple 40+ yd FGs isn't that impressive, then why is it a Super Bowl record? And they were also made outside, not exactly an indoor kickers comfort zone.

TheOak · 12-18-2013, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

First off, if Hartley missed those 3 FGs, the Colts get the ball in good field position and they would probably score points on all three possessions.

If making multiple 40+ yd FGs isn't that impressive, then why is it a Super Bowl record? And they were also made outside, not exactly an indoor kickers comfort zone.

1. "ifs" huh? How about "If" we punted they wouldn't have had good field position... Jeese. Colts had 8 possessions and 2 TDs. The game winning play was Porters Pick 6.

As I said kicking 3 FGs in 1 game less than 50 yards is not impressive. Its expected. Hartley did it 8 times in his career with the Saints. Does doing it in the SB mean he is a better kicker than a kicker that does it in week 3? No. Mainly because for a kicker how good the opponent is opponent doesn't matter. Hartley kicked 3 FG in Sun Life Stadium is about all it amounts to.

If Hartley is that good why does he hold 1 record in regular season? His Adderall Season/Rookie Season he went 13/13...

2. If you find all my replies on Hartley you would see or know that Hartley is better outdoors. That IS his comfort zone. So is kicking on the road. We are a flippen dome team and he was worse indoors, on grass, at home by no less than a 10% margin...

Career Splits
73% Home
87% Road
Garrett Hartley Career Splits - Pro-Football-Reference.com

87% Outdoors
76% Indoors

87% Grass
77% Turf
Y! SPORTS

This season its worse than career
69% Home
76% Road

84% Outdoors
64% Indoors

87% Grass
68% Turf

At the very least you have to agree that Hartley is a poor fit for a dome team. Like him, love him, buy his jersey while you can.. He is gone and his career as a Saint was much like Milli Vanilli.. He was a 1 hit wonder in 2009 and there is nothing else to hold on to.

12-18-2013, 07:43 AM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Hartley waived and Shayne Graham Signed [MERGED] Sean Payton, Drew Brees, and Darren Sharper brought us to and won a SB for the Saints in 2009. These people preformed beyond what "expectations" are for their position. Hartley's job was FGs, and had he kicked a 60 yarder then that would be outside of expectations. Hartley attempted 1 FG over 50 yards that year and missed... everything else was 39 yards or less in regular season. If you know the 2009 season then you know John Carney started 11 games worth 50 XTP and 13 FGs, while Hartley only played in 5 games regular season. He did not kick the onside kick in the SB. He did kick the FG to put us ahead of Washington but as a matter of record Hartley went 50% against TB in game 15 and missed a 37 yarder on the final drive and we lost by 3 points. Games Lost by Hartley: (in the spirit of games lost by a margin = or less than his missed FGs) 2012: Green bay 48 yarder Kansas City 38 yarder 2011: Missed the entire season 2010: Atlanta - 29 yarder 2009 Tampa Bay 37 yarder Did he win a Super Bowl for us? No With out his 3 FGs we still win 22-17 Is a kicker making a 40 yard FG impressive? I do not think so, that is his job and what he did in the NFCC. In Hartley's career he has lost more games for us than won.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

12-18-2013, 08:23 AM	#2
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,086	Re: Hartley waived and Shayne Graham Signed [MERGED] Originally Posted by TheOak Sean Payton, Drew Brees, and Darren Sharper brought us to and won a SB for the Saints in 2009. These people preformed beyond what "expectations" are for their position. Hartley's job was FGs, and had he kicked a 60 yarder then that would be outside of expectations. Hartley attempted 1 FG over 50 yards that year and missed... everything else was 39 yards or less in regular season. If you know the 2009 season then you know John Carney started 11 games worth 50 XTP and 13 FGs, while Hartley only played in 5 games regular season. He did not kick the onside kick in the SB. He did kick the FG to put us ahead of Washington but as a matter of record Hartley went 50% against TB in game 15 and missed a 37 yarder on the final drive and we lost by 3 points. Games Lost by Hartley: (in the spirit of games lost by a margin = or less than his missed FGs) 2012: Green bay 48 yarder Kansas City 38 yarder 2011: Missed the entire season 2010: Atlanta - 29 yarder 2009 Tampa Bay 37 yarder Did he win a Super Bowl for us? No With out his 3 FGs we still win 22-17 Is a kicker making a 40 yard FG impressive? I do not think so, that is his job and what he did in the NFCC. In Hartley's career he has lost more games for us than won. First off, if Hartley missed those 3 FGs, the Colts get the ball in good field position and they would probably score points on all three possessions. If making multiple 40+ yd FGs isn't that impressive, then why is it a Super Bowl record? And they were also made outside, not exactly an indoor kickers comfort zone.

12-18-2013, 11:10 AM	#3
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Hartley waived and Shayne Graham Signed [MERGED] Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 First off, if Hartley missed those 3 FGs, the Colts get the ball in good field position and they would probably score points on all three possessions. If making multiple 40+ yd FGs isn't that impressive, then why is it a Super Bowl record? And they were also made outside, not exactly an indoor kickers comfort zone. 1. "ifs" huh? How about "If" we punted they wouldn't have had good field position... Jeese. Colts had 8 possessions and 2 TDs. The game winning play was Porters Pick 6. As I said kicking 3 FGs in 1 game less than 50 yards is not impressive. Its expected. Hartley did it 8 times in his career with the Saints. Does doing it in the SB mean he is a better kicker than a kicker that does it in week 3? No. Mainly because for a kicker how good the opponent is opponent doesn't matter. Hartley kicked 3 FG in Sun Life Stadium is about all it amounts to. If Hartley is that good why does he hold 1 record in regular season? His Adderall Season/Rookie Season he went 13/13... 2. If you find all my replies on Hartley you would see or know that Hartley is better outdoors. That IS his comfort zone. So is kicking on the road. We are a flippen dome team and he was worse indoors, on grass, at home by no less than a 10% margin... Career Splits 73% Home 87% Road Garrett Hartley Career Splits - Pro-Football-Reference.com 87% Outdoors 76% Indoors 87% Grass 77% Turf Y! SPORTS This season its worse than career 69% Home 76% Road 84% Outdoors 64% Indoors 87% Grass 68% Turf At the very least you have to agree that Hartley is a poor fit for a dome team. Like him, love him, buy his jersey while you can.. He is gone and his career as a Saint was much like Milli Vanilli.. He was a 1 hit wonder in 2009 and there is nothing else to hold on to. exiled likes this.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

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