Terron Armstead To Start at LT

12-18-2013, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I wonder if the new safety is gonna steal some s
naps away from Jenkins, or is he just depth until Bush gets healthy?

It wouldn't surprise me to see Eric on special teams on Sunday. This guy was actually pretty decent during his short stint in Dallas but yes he could be there for depth.

TheOak · 12-18-2013, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Yep, my feelings as well.

As soon as I saw the title I thought Uhh-Oh.

But I gotta think Payton would never make this move unless he thought the young man was ready.

I wonder if the new safety is gonna steal some snaps away from Jenkins, or is he just depth until Bush gets healthy?

With 2 game starts in 6 years, and the way his carer has played out.. Ill bet he gets a lot of Special Teams play, and picks up a snap or two

Eric Frampton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Eric Frampton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

exile · 12-18-2013, 01:52 PM

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WhoDatQB · 12-18-2013, 01:58 PM

Hey I don't think they would put him out there if not ready. I am sure he has been getting reps against Gallette and Jordan, two pretty good pass rushers. He would have to be performing pretty well against them for Payton to put him in.

It's not like a lot of years where you don't have a decent defense to rate out and grade out offensive players. This is the first year in awhile where our scheme and talent would allow you to know if a new offensive lineman can tow the rope.

SaintsBro · 12-18-2013, 02:02 PM

I am really curious. It will be interesting to see if the Saints come right out the gate with the chips and "max protect" type of look, giving Armstead help, putting a tight end on his hip, keeping people in to block, etc. I wonder if they will do that immediately from the start....or if Payton will try to run the "usual" offense of all guns blazing, without changing anything up.

I do remember the famous Miami game in '09, the line was a trainwreck early in the beginning. The first couple of quarters, Bushrod in particular was a mess at first, in that game at LT...it was pretty bad....THEN they adjusted and started doing the TE chips and double teams and using running backs to help out, take chunks out of people before releasing....the pocket got SO MUCH better for Drew and we started moving the ball pretty much at will.....first half and second half were like two different games.

Will be interesting to see what Payton wants to do here. Will the offense work, and if it doesn't -- can we really afford a big deep 17-point hole, if Payton decides to come out and just play the same O-line style we always do, THEN switch to more protection and chip blocking later on.

ScottF · 12-18-2013, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

I am really curious. It will be interesting to see if the Saints come right out the gate with the chips and "max protect" type of look, giving Armstead help, putting a tight end on his hip, keeping people in to block, etc. I wonder if they will do that immediately from the start....or if Payton will try to run the "usual" offense of all guns blazing, without changing anything up.

I do remember the famous Miami game in '09, the line was a trainwreck early in the beginning. The first couple of quarters, Bushrod in particular was a mess at first, in that game at LT...it was pretty bad....THEN they adjusted and started doing the TE chips and double teams and using running backs to help out, take chunks out of people before releasing....the pocket got SO MUCH better for Drew and we started moving the ball pretty much at will.....first half and second half were like two different games.

Will be interesting to see what Payton wants to do here. Will the offense work, and if it doesn't -- can we really afford a big deep 17-point hole, if Payton decides to come out and just play the same O-line style we always do, THEN switch to more protection and chip blocking later on.

good points, but again I ask, why didn't we do that before, with Brown?

ScottF · 12-18-2013, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

With 2 game starts in 6 years, and the way his carer has played out.. Ill bet he gets a lot of Special Teams play, and picks up a snap or two

Eric Frampton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think if Bush is ready that he'll get the jersey and Frampton will be inactive,otherwise this guy will be the gunner for 2 weeks

Where's Roby?

TheOak · 12-18-2013, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by ScottF

I think if Bush is ready that he'll get the jersey and Frampton will be inactive,otherwise this guy will be the gunner for 2 weeks

Where's Roby?

Roby was released in Aug

Rugby Saint II · 12-18-2013, 03:27 PM

I am 100% sure that Payton gives him help early so that the transition is smoother.

SaintsBro · 12-18-2013, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by ScottF

good points, but again I ask, why didn't we do that before, with Brown?

This is just my opinion on it -- but I think that with a few notable exceptions, Sean Payton is usually pretty stingy and conservative, about putting rookies out into live-fire game situations. I get the feeling, I don't think he likes it. Probably a LOT more cautious than the fans are, and more than many other coaches are.

A few obvious exceptions being guys like Reggie Bush or Colston who arrive and just go to work...but other than that, look at Ingram's rookie year....look at Pierre Thomas' early year or two, when he was battling it out with Aaron Stecker for the spot behind Deuce....look at Khiry now... look back at the game logs for rookie years of LOADS of Saints players and you'll see -- with a few exceptions - you will see a LOT of rookies being eased in to the league with, 1 game, 2 games, 3 games on their rookie game log, IF they get any games at all....P-Rob spent a lot of his first year playing special teams, which is where I first noticed he existed...Zach Strief was nowhere near the field for his first couple years....Jenkins only started as a rook because of injuries all over the secondary. Things like that.

Most of the Saints linemen who have played AT ALL as rookies, have been thrown into the fire with no other option but "next man up"....Nicks, Bushrod, filling in for veterans who couldn't go, to name just two.

I think it's just something Payton does. One reason why a lot of people love to label Saints' high draft picks as "busts" is because, a lot of times they don't come in and instantly produce, INSTANTLY on the field upon getting here.

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Threaded by K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,838 Blog Entries: 3 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by Danno I wonder if the new safety is gonna steal some s naps away from Jenkins, or is he just depth until Bush gets healthy? It wouldn't surprise me to see Eric on special teams on Sunday. This guy was actually pretty decent during his short stint in Dallas but yes he could be there for depth.
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12-18-2013, 01:58 PM	#44
WhoDatQB Boondock Saint Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: F***ing Atlanta Posts: 322	Re: Terron Armstead To Start at LT Hey I don't think they would put him out there if not ready. I am sure he has been getting reps against Gallette and Jordan, two pretty good pass rushers. He would have to be performing pretty well against them for Payton to put him in. It's not like a lot of years where you don't have a decent defense to rate out and grade out offensive players. This is the first year in awhile where our scheme and talent would allow you to know if a new offensive lineman can tow the rope.

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SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Terron Armstead To Start at LT I am really curious. It will be interesting to see if the Saints come right out the gate with the chips and "max protect" type of look, giving Armstead help, putting a tight end on his hip, keeping people in to block, etc. I wonder if they will do that immediately from the start....or if Payton will try to run the "usual" offense of all guns blazing, without changing anything up. I do remember the famous Miami game in '09, the line was a trainwreck early in the beginning. The first couple of quarters, Bushrod in particular was a mess at first, in that game at LT...it was pretty bad....THEN they adjusted and started doing the TE chips and double teams and using running backs to help out, take chunks out of people before releasing....the pocket got SO MUCH better for Drew and we started moving the ball pretty much at will.....first half and second half were like two different games. Will be interesting to see what Payton wants to do here. Will the offense work, and if it doesn't -- can we really afford a big deep 17-point hole, if Payton decides to come out and just play the same O-line style we always do, THEN switch to more protection and chip blocking later on.

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ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Terron Armstead To Start at LT Originally Posted by SaintsBro I am really curious. It will be interesting to see if the Saints come right out the gate with the chips and "max protect" type of look, giving Armstead help, putting a tight end on his hip, keeping people in to block, etc. I wonder if they will do that immediately from the start....or if Payton will try to run the "usual" offense of all guns blazing, without changing anything up. I do remember the famous Miami game in '09, the line was a trainwreck early in the beginning. The first couple of quarters, Bushrod in particular was a mess at first, in that game at LT...it was pretty bad....THEN they adjusted and started doing the TE chips and double teams and using running backs to help out, take chunks out of people before releasing....the pocket got SO MUCH better for Drew and we started moving the ball pretty much at will.....first half and second half were like two different games. Will be interesting to see what Payton wants to do here. Will the offense work, and if it doesn't -- can we really afford a big deep 17-point hole, if Payton decides to come out and just play the same O-line style we always do, THEN switch to more protection and chip blocking later on. good points, but again I ask, why didn't we do that before, with Brown?

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ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Terron Armstead To Start at LT Originally Posted by TheOak With 2 game starts in 6 years, and the way his carer has played out.. Ill bet he gets a lot of Special Teams play, and picks up a snap or two Eric Frampton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia I think if Bush is ready that he'll get the jersey and Frampton will be inactive,otherwise this guy will be the gunner for 2 weeks Where's Roby?

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,050	Re: Terron Armstead To Start at LT Originally Posted by ScottF I think if Bush is ready that he'll get the jersey and Frampton will be inactive,otherwise this guy will be the gunner for 2 weeks Where's Roby? Roby was released in Aug

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SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Terron Armstead To Start at LT Originally Posted by ScottF good points, but again I ask, why didn't we do that before, with Brown? This is just my opinion on it -- but I think that with a few notable exceptions, Sean Payton is usually pretty stingy and conservative, about putting rookies out into live-fire game situations. I get the feeling, I don't think he likes it. Probably a LOT more cautious than the fans are, and more than many other coaches are. A few obvious exceptions being guys like Reggie Bush or Colston who arrive and just go to work...but other than that, look at Ingram's rookie year....look at Pierre Thomas' early year or two, when he was battling it out with Aaron Stecker for the spot behind Deuce....look at Khiry now... look back at the game logs for rookie years of LOADS of Saints players and you'll see -- with a few exceptions - you will see a LOT of rookies being eased in to the league with, 1 game, 2 games, 3 games on their rookie game log, IF they get any games at all....P-Rob spent a lot of his first year playing special teams, which is where I first noticed he existed...Zach Strief was nowhere near the field for his first couple years....Jenkins only started as a rook because of injuries all over the secondary. Things like that. Most of the Saints linemen who have played AT ALL as rookies, have been thrown into the fire with no other option but "next man up"....Nicks, Bushrod, filling in for veterans who couldn't go, to name just two. I think it's just something Payton does. One reason why a lot of people love to label Saints' high draft picks as "busts" is because, a lot of times they don't come in and instantly produce, INSTANTLY on the field upon getting here.

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