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Cruize 12-21-2013 11:11 PM

Re: Starting Armstead - Good move?
 
He will put out the effort. For whatever reason, it looked like Brown wasn't against the Rams. He wasn't just out-talented, he was out-worked. You don't have to be great to keep the defenders of Drew. But, you have to be willing to scratch and claw and battle. TA will do that.

TheOak 12-22-2013 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 562258)
Does any fan honestly know that? I for one have not seen him play and he may be playing loads better and more consistent than Brown has been...



Payton seems to have more confidence in Armstead, has to be logical reasoning behind it...


I would say that if Armstead started out of the blue then he is playing good consistent football. If he is started because Brown is having issues; while he may be playing better ball than Brown, he is starting because he is the lessor of two evils.

Joker 12-22-2013 08:31 AM

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Cutting Hartley & Carr benching Brown & starting Armstead. Where are the rest of the moves to improve the Saint's team. DLP is absolutely horrible and White couldn't cover a baby with a blanket. The moves that were made may have been necessary but what about the ones that needed to be made and weren't.

Danno 12-22-2013 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Joker (Post 562358)
Cutting Hartley & Carr benching Brown & starting Armstead. Where are the rest of the moves to improve the Saint's team. DLP is absolutely horrible and White couldn't cover a baby with a blanket. The moves that were made may have been necessary but what about the ones that needed to be made and weren't.

Disagree on DLP being horrible. He's average to slightly below but IMO he and Brown were certainly the weak links.
You could not be more wrong about White. He's gonna be a quality starter for us for a long time. His occasional mistakes are correctable.

Joker 12-22-2013 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 562360)
Disagree on DLP being horrible. He's average to slightly below but IMO he and Brown were certainly the weak links.
You could not be more wrong about White. He's gonna be a quality starter for us for a long time. His occasional mistakes are correctable.

The only reason White is on the field is bc of injury to Greer & Robinson. Brown & DLP are average to slightly below average but brown gets benched but DLP still has a spot " Really" !!!!!!!!!! Average to below average with a 100 million dollar QB to me would be unacceptable.

Danno 12-22-2013 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Joker (Post 562364)
The only reason White is on the field is bc of injury to Greer & Robinson. Brown & DLP are average to slightly below average but brown gets benched but DLP still has a spot " Really" !!!!!!!!!! Average to below average with a 100 million dollar QB to me would be unacceptable.

Horrible does not equal average to below average, really.

Brown got benched because he played badly and we have a young promising LT on the roster who the coaches think gives us a better chance to win.

But if you wanna bench DLP go right ahead. I'm sure there's a probowl Center waiting on his couch for someone to call and sign him.

Joker 12-22-2013 09:36 AM

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Dunno as usual I don't agree with a damn thing you have to say.

Danno 12-22-2013 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Joker (Post 562369)
Dunno as usual I don't agree with a damn thing you have to say.

Enjoy being wrong?

You must be Joking, oh wait...:p

Joker 12-22-2013 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 562370)
Enjoy being wrong?

You must be Joking, oh wait...:p

Of course Dunno I forgot that you think so highly of yourself & opinions and you're always right, opinions that differs from yours well of course is a joke or just wrong. I don't know why they don't call this site Dunno' s forum

Danno 12-22-2013 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Joker (Post 562371)
Of course Dunno I forgot that you think so highly of yourself & opinions and you're always right, opinions that differs from yours well of course is a joke or just wrong. I don't know why they don't call this site Dunno' s forum

Chill out. You post something absurd its gonna get called out. Grow thinker skin or find another forum.

Here's a thought, quit posting dumass comments and you won't get called out for it.

Joker 12-22-2013 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 562373)
Chill out. You post something absurd its gonna get called out. Grow thinker skin or find another forum.

Here's a thought, quit posting dumass comments and you won't get called out for it.

Isn't that what you do with everyone " call them out" when someone has a comment or opinion that differs from yours. I'll stay here as long as I damn well please and post whatever I want, if you don't like it I suggest you go somewhere else. DUNNO

Danno 12-22-2013 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Joker (Post 562374)
Isn't that what you do with everyone " call them out" when someone has a comment or opinion that differs from yours. I'll stay here as long as I damn well please and post whatever I want, if you don't like it I suggest you go somewhere else. DUNNO

Sounds like you're the one butt hurt because my opinion differed from yours.;)

saintsfan1976 12-22-2013 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 562258)
Does any fan honestly know that? I for one have not seen him play and he may be playing loads better and more consistent than Brown has been...

Payton seems to have more confidence in Armstead, has to be logical reasoning behind it...

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 562327)
I agree. None of us have even seen him practice. Ill go with the coachh who brought us a Super Bowl. He knows what he is doing. I dont think he would put Armstead in at this point in the season, wiwth this big of a game on the line if he didnt think he could get the job done.

What do you guys say now? Better than Brown??

WHODATINCA 12-22-2013 03:33 PM

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Seems like this was a bad move, now, IMO.

|Mitch| 12-22-2013 03:36 PM

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He actually was decent in the 2nd half, we all knew there would be growing pains

Joker 12-22-2013 03:36 PM

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White did an excellent job covering on that TD catch, by far the best DB we have.

Cruize 12-22-2013 03:38 PM

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I love Payton as the Saints Head Coach. I love Brees as the Saints QB. But, that does not make everything they do golden.

WHODATINCA 12-22-2013 03:49 PM

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Can you believe people where actually saying that we should cut Brees on the game day thread. Wow. And, that they wished Payton would still be suspended. Man. It was a bad day -- but no reason to set your own hair on fire.

Joker 12-22-2013 03:53 PM

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There's enough criticism to go around, Drew can't continue to give the ball away like candy on Halloween.

Danno 12-22-2013 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by WHODATINCA (Post 563244)
Can you believe people where actually saying that we should cut Brees on the game day thread. Wow. And, that they wished Payton would still be suspended. Man. It was a bad day -- but no reason to set your own hair on fire.

Despite what many think, we don't exactly have the brightest fans

Joker 12-22-2013 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 563292)
Despite what many think, we don't exactly have the brightest fans

Please don't exclude yourself

|Mitch| 12-22-2013 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 563292)
Despite what many think, we don't exactly have the brightest fans

We all spout off when we get pissed, doesn't mean we are not "bright"... And no I don't want Brees cut or benched

Danno 12-22-2013 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 563297)
We all spout off when we get pissed, doesn't mean we are not "bright"... And no I don't want Brees cut or benched

Sorry, I meant smartest

|Mitch| 12-22-2013 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 563301)
Sorry, I meant smartest

LOL; Just giving you hell... There are a lot of "stupid" posts after a loss

nycsaintfan 12-22-2013 05:02 PM

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I'm not sure if it was the right stage for Payton to start Armstead on. But I think it was good to see what he could bring to what has been a bad stretch for this offensive line.

hagan714 12-22-2013 07:49 PM

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all in all he looked better than i thought. i only saw one blown assignment on a stunt. once he got beaten plan and simple. other than that i think we might have something with him

blackangold 12-22-2013 07:55 PM

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Dont think he did too bad... the sacks came partially on brees holding the ball. Yhe run game looked better.

nycsaintfan 12-22-2013 08:11 PM

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Guys, I think Armstead was responsible for a good number of those sacks. Yes, I agree that Brees held the ball a bit longer than you would like. But I think its more that the receivers are not getting open down field as much as in the past.

All in all I thought his first game was so-so. I thought the Saints ran the ball better when going off the right side of the line anyway.

WHODATINCA 12-22-2013 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 563292)
Despite what many think, we don't exactly have the brightest fans

I don't think IQ is the issue. What I think we have are some fans who aren't properly taking their Cymbalta.

Check with your doctor first, but maybe more on game day, huh?

WhoDatQB 12-23-2013 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by nycsaintfan (Post 563559)
Guys, I think Armstead was responsible for a good number of those sacks. Yes, I agree that Brees held the ball a bit longer than you would like. But I think its more that the receivers are not getting open down field as much as in the past.

All in all I thought his first game was so-so. I thought the Saints ran the ball better when going off the right side of the line anyway.


How is he responsible for a good number of them, and then you call out the receivers for not getting open and Drew holding the ball?

I am not someone that studies game film, but I only saw a couple of really bad plays on his part. Someone stated earlier he was beaten like a drum on one play, and then I saw another where he looked like he lost his guy. I don't think he looked any worse than Brown did the week before, and actually considering he is a rookie from a small school and was going against someone in the same ballpark as Brown went against the week before I think he could do well.

Based on what I have seen this year when you look at an overall picture I think out biggest need is a center that can take care of blocking assignments and actually hold his own. Everyone know Drew needs stronger players up front to open lanes, it seems that Evans and Grubbs can hold their own but constantly are helping De la Puenta and when Drew cannot step up the pressure from the tackles can get to him easier.

When you have an overall downgrade across the line everything goes bad. good Center with Grubbs and Evans and I think the Saints will be much better as long as Armstead progresses.

Budsdrinker 12-23-2013 08:22 AM

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The one play when he looked lost on the stunt could have been the wrong protection called and he just tried a gut reaction and was too late. Hardy is a tough guy to block and did beat him a couple times but I do think Armstead is our future LT.

Danno 12-23-2013 08:32 AM

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I noticed several mistakes, confusion about whats going on, lunging, off-balance, attacking the wrong player, just pitiful.

Now on to Armstead... I thought he did fine for a rookie in his 1st start. Most of his mistakes looked like he was a bit hesitant about who to block. Thats correctable.

exile 12-23-2013 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 563728)
I noticed several mistakes, confusion about whats going on, lunging, off-balance, attacking the wrong player, just pitiful.

Now on to Armstead... I thought he did fine for a rookie in his 1st start. Most of his mistakes looked like he was a bit hesitant about who to block. Thats correctable.

:D Agreed. Armstead looks pretty good out there outside of a few plays. It was the interior of the line that really had the troubles.

dizzle88 12-23-2013 09:41 AM

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Armstead looked loads better in the second half, its like putting a rookie QB out there and complaining when he throws a pick six, you can't judge him off this performance

lsusaint912 12-23-2013 12:37 PM

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I just think it was just a little too much for him guys.. Brees didint help out much by holding the ball, but On some plays hes just got killed.. I know hes still learning and heck he had some good plays as well.. I just think brown just needs to finish the season now payton proved his point

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