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exile 12-18-2013 10:18 AM

Starting Armstead - Good move?
 
I honestly think it is not a good or bad move. But a necessary move for good or bad.

hagan714 12-18-2013 10:19 AM

Re: Starting Armstead - Good move or bad move?
 
you drafted the kid for the position and i have to say it is about time we see were he is. draft is soon and we need some answers.

lee909 12-18-2013 10:20 AM

Re: Starting Armstead - Good move or bad move?
 
Give the staff a few games to see if a tackle is a necessity to n the draft.

Danno 12-18-2013 10:36 AM

Re: Starting Armstead - Good move?
 
A poll? Really?

WhoDat!656 12-18-2013 10:38 AM

Re: Starting Armstead - Good move?
 
Here are some Terron Armstead highlights




Halo 12-18-2013 10:43 AM

Re: Starting Armstead - Good move?
 
If we want our QB to go uninjured the remaining 2 games and potentially in the playoffs, next man up is the only logical conclusion.

papz 12-18-2013 10:43 AM

Re: Starting Armstead - Good move?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 561449)
A poll? Really?

It's for the home page.

exile 12-18-2013 10:44 AM

Re: Starting Armstead - Good move?
 
Armstead was the talk of the combine as well. He has the goods.

Jack Vegas 12-18-2013 11:02 AM

Re: Starting Armstead - Good move?
 
Wow, I had not seen any highlights of the kid before now.

He looks a LOT like Jammal Brown coming out of college. A LOT. Like, it's uncanny. Body-wise, almost identical. And the way he plays too. Seriously, if you can find footage of the 2005 draft look at the Jammal Brown selection and then watch Armstead footage. It's like watching the same player.

Danno 12-18-2013 11:12 AM

Re: Starting Armstead - Good move?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by papz (Post 561452)
It's for the home page.

We have a home page?

TheOak 12-18-2013 11:29 AM

Re: Starting Armstead - Good move?
 
Finally a poll for the homepage that replaces the B&G fan base saying Seattle is the best team in the NFC.

What I am hoping is that with the change to LT comes a change to the way we handle our offense. Could there be a slim chance that things open up with a new LT?

Budsdrinker 12-18-2013 11:46 AM

Re: Starting Armstead - Good move?
 
Hard to say without seeing anything on him in a Saints uni.
If he has practice well and the coaches like it I say go for it.
We shall see Sunday

The Dude 12-18-2013 01:11 PM

Re: Starting Armstead - Good move?
 
The thing Is that Brown had a great game against Carolina as did the oline as a whole. Maybe he just matched up well? I'm hoping it's the right move as I believe if it ain't broke don't fix it. I def think he needs to be benched but maybe after this game when we have already clinched the division. I'm sure they will put him back in if Armstead sucks

halloween 65 12-18-2013 01:54 PM

Re: Starting Armstead - Good move?
 
It is Armsteads job to lose now, I think he will play with a lot of aggression and play well!! It would make my day by beating the Panthers by running it down their front 7 all day long and Armstead leading the way.

TheOak 12-18-2013 01:58 PM

Re: Starting Armstead - Good move?
 
He seems from what I have read and heard to be fairly athletic and have a decent pair of skates... This bodes well for him in pass protection, Brown/Strief are not the most nimble cats i have seen and as long as Armstead can keep the DE from getting around him on the snap drew will be fine.

xan 12-18-2013 02:03 PM

Re: Starting Armstead - Good move?
 
I love polls. And poles, and Poles, and pols.

Armstead better focus on his job. I don't want to see $100million sitting on the sidelines in a full body cast.

SaintsBro 12-18-2013 02:17 PM

Re: Starting Armstead - Good move?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 561508)
The thing Is that Brown had a great game against Carolina as did the oline as a whole. Maybe he just matched up well?

I thought he had a great game against Carolina too (the whole thing that night looked like the Saints offense should). Reading around on some Carolina forums today, they are saying that he had some help two weeks ago, it wasn't all 1-on-1 Brown against Hardy but they did some chips and double teams and stuff. When it's a blowout and an air show like that, I kinda stop paying attention to the trenches, it's too much fun and my section of the Terrace starts rocking....(if it's tense or close, I watch everything)....But Carolina fans are saying that, sometimes we only had 3 targets going out and their coverage play was so bad that Drew would just easily find the one that was open, easy peasy. Which is kind of what I remember it looking like. Hope that keeps up on Sunday.

jeanpierre 12-18-2013 02:22 PM

Re: Starting Armstead - Good move or bad move?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 561440)
you drafted the kid for the position and i have to say it is about time we see were he is. draft is soon and we need some answers.

Hell Yeah, What Kevin Said!!!

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Rugby Saint II 12-18-2013 02:58 PM

Re: Starting Armstead - Good move?
 
Get some tape on the boy and see what we have.

saintfan 12-18-2013 05:09 PM

Re: Starting Armstead - Good move?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 561449)
A poll? Really?


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xan 12-18-2013 05:20 PM

Re: Starting Armstead - Good move?
 
She's ample.

Boutte 12-18-2013 05:55 PM

Re: Starting Armstead - Good move?
 
Didn't Brown completely shut Hardy down the last time we played them?

WhoDat!656 12-18-2013 06:04 PM

Re: Starting Armstead - Good move?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Boutte (Post 561600)
Didn't Brown completely shut Hardy down the last time we played them?

Apparently the kittens saw something in the loss to the speed goats that they think they can exploit.

Go after Charles Brown: Saints left tackle Charles Brown had a miserable day last week against the Rams and was eventually benched because of it.

Brown had the unenviable task of having to keep defensive end Robert Quinn at bay, and he could not. Quinn, who’s on a short list for Defensive Player of the Year, sacked quarterback Drew Brees twice while going up against Brown, and his pressure on Brees on the Saints’ first play helped cause an interception.

Saints head coach Sean Payton yanked Brown in the third quarter and moved right tackle Zach Strief to the left side, and Payton has not guaranteed Brown will reclaim his spot for Sunday’s game.

It will be up to Greg Hardy to emulate the type of disruption Quinn caused if the Panthers want to be as successful. Hardy – and the rest of the defensive line for that matter – didn’t get much pressure on Brees, and Hardy finished with one tackle, zero sacks and zero quarterback hits going up against Brown.

The Panthers could use a performance from Hardy like the one he gave in Week 3 against the Giants, when he went up against left tackle Will Beatty and used his speed and athleticism to sack Eli Manning three times en route to winning NFC defensive player of the week.

Read more here: Panthers keys: 4 things Carolina must do to beat Saints | CharlotteObserver.com

44Champs 12-18-2013 09:11 PM

Re: Starting Armstead - Good move?
 
Why didnt Armstead replace Brown instead of Strief vs the rams? Was he hurt?

lumm0x 12-18-2013 09:29 PM

Re: Starting Armstead - Good move?
 
Greg Hardy, aside from being a toolbox of a person, is not a small percentage of Robert Quinn talent and skill-wise. I fear Hardy the least of every player on the Panthers D-line.

whybag 12-18-2013 09:36 PM

Re: Starting Armstead - Good move?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by exile (Post 561438)
I honestly think it is not a good or bad move. But a necessary move for good or bad.

I like your firmly worded opinion sir.

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hagan714 12-18-2013 10:31 PM

Re: Starting Armstead - Good move?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Boutte (Post 561600)
Didn't Brown completely shut Hardy down the last time we played them?

yep thats why i kinda like the move. brown is sitting there if needed. dude is being punished and maybe that will wake him up and/or tick him off to play better

Beastmode 12-18-2013 10:38 PM

Re: Starting Armstead - Good move?
 
Haslett hinted on this back in the day on WWL and it was in to regards of switching out OL. He commented that he never considered it. My thought process is if defensive linemen get tired why not. Why not have Brown and Armstead relieve each other, LT is a critical position. Swap them out and keep them alert and on target. I honestly don't see why this has never been really considered by teams. I think we are at the point now where it should be seriously considered. Swap them, keep them alert and fresh and it gets that much harder on defense to roll on them. Brees gets a formidable fresh LT every couple of plays.

ScottF 12-19-2013 06:51 AM

Re: Starting Armstead - Good move?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 44Champs (Post 561653)
Why didnt Armstead replace Brown instead of Strief vs the rams? Was he hurt?

he wasn't active
he has only been active for 4 games
I voted 'No' because
Armstead's next snap will be his FIRST career snap, and bc Brown played well vs Car last time

The Dude 12-19-2013 08:06 AM

Re: Starting Armstead - Good move?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 561544)
Get some tape on the boy and see what we have.

The fact that there is no tape may be one of his biggest assets going into this game.

NonieT 12-19-2013 08:16 AM

Re: Starting Armstead - Good move?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 561603)
Apparently the kittens saw something in the loss to the speed goats that they think they can exploit.

Go after Charles Brown: Saints left tackle Charles Brown had a miserable day last week against the Rams and was eventually benched because of it.

Brown had the unenviable task of having to keep defensive end Robert Quinn at bay, and he could not. Quinn, who’s on a short list for Defensive Player of the Year, sacked quarterback Drew Brees twice while going up against Brown, and his pressure on Brees on the Saints’ first play helped cause an interception.

Saints head coach Sean Payton yanked Brown in the third quarter and moved right tackle Zach Strief to the left side, and Payton has not guaranteed Brown will reclaim his spot for Sunday’s game.

It will be up to Greg Hardy to emulate the type of disruption Quinn caused if the Panthers want to be as successful. Hardy – and the rest of the defensive line for that matter – didn’t get much pressure on Brees, and Hardy finished with one tackle, zero sacks and zero quarterback hits going up against Brown.

The Panthers could use a performance from Hardy like the one he gave in Week 3 against the Giants, when he went up against left tackle Will Beatty and used his speed and athleticism to sack Eli Manning three times en route to winning NFC defensive player of the week.

Read more here: Panthers keys: 4 things Carolina must do to beat Saints | CharlotteObserver.com

That's going to be a bit difficult now since Brown isn't playing.

SmashMouth 12-19-2013 05:26 PM

Re: Starting Armstead - Good move?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by exile (Post 561438)
I honestly think it is not a good or bad move. But a necessary move for good or bad.

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WhoDat!656 12-19-2013 05:45 PM

Re: Starting Armstead - Good move?
 
What Payton will do if the kittens are able to get past Armstead and pressure Brees.

Will he put in extra protection or pull him and go back to Brown?

jeanpierre 12-20-2013 07:33 AM

Re: Starting Armstead - Good move?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 561893)
Will he put in extra protection or pull him and go back to Brown?

I sure hope not; we know Brown didn't work for us...

Let him play and learn/adapt, if he can't, then we know what we need to do this offseason...

Sure wish we could merge some of these threads as there's some real good discussion but just hard to follow all over the place...

Schmohams 12-20-2013 08:31 PM

Re: Starting Armstead - Good move?
 
Should of benched Brown earlier/ Gave Armstead more reps before just throwing out in the water, I think we need more than 2 games to asses what we have with Terron.

hagan714 12-20-2013 09:11 PM

Re: Starting Armstead - Good move?
 
Brown held his ground in game one so if the kid falter then he will get in there i am sure. if brown falters welcome the strief switch yet again.

The Dude 12-21-2013 02:18 PM

Re: Starting Armstead - Good move?
 
I have mixed feelings about this. Brown was horrible last week and deserved to be pulled. He has been up and down this season in general. I think he had a great game against Carolina though and it makes me wonder if this is the game they need to change. Brown faced them once and is familiar with the way the Panthers players block and has practice against them. Armstead on the other hand doesn't. I do think we need a change at that position but do t know if this week is the time to do it. If Payton thinks Armstead is an upgrade then there it is.

Also all they said is that Armstead is starting. They could pull him after three snaps and put Brown back in for all we know.
I really do hope that Armstead is the answer at that position though. Brown is too shakey.

saintsfan1976 12-21-2013 02:25 PM

Re: Starting Armstead - Good move?
 
I think there's more to the Brown benching than ability alone. I

n his interviews something doesn't sound right about Brown. Granted, I know nothing of the situation but to me Brown isn't the future LT for this team.

BUT - he's better than Armstead (at the moment).

To me this is more about a conflict btwn Coach and Player than anything else.

|Mitch| 12-21-2013 02:31 PM

Re: Starting Armstead - Good move?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 562254)
BUT - he's better than Armstead (at the moment).

Does any fan honestly know that? I for one have not seen him play and he may be playing loads better and more consistent than Brown has been...

Payton seems to have more confidence in Armstead, has to be logical reasoning behind it...

The Dude 12-21-2013 10:25 PM

Re: Starting Armstead - Good move?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 562258)
Does any fan honestly know that? I for one have not seen him play and he may be playing loads better and more consistent than Brown has been...

Payton seems to have more confidence in Armstead, has to be logical reasoning behind it...

I agree. None of us have even seen him practice. Ill go with the coachh who brought us a Super Bowl. He knows what he is doing. I dont think he would put Armstead in at this point in the season, wiwth this big of a game on the line if he didnt think he could get the job done.


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