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Saintsfan06 12-19-2013 01:10 PM

How do you feel about mark ingram now?
 
I know this is probably repetitive to see, but how do you guys feel about mark Ingram with the way he runs and if we can get a better push on the o-line do you think he can be a starter (1000+ rusher) next year?

papz 12-19-2013 01:13 PM

Re: How do you feel about mark ingram now?
 
He gone.

TheOak 12-19-2013 01:20 PM

Re: How do you feel about mark ingram now?
 
I just love invisible threads.. So much intrigue.


New Orleans will not have a 1000 yard rusher as long as Sean Payton is coach.

Danno 12-19-2013 01:55 PM

Re: How do you feel about mark ingram now?
 
I feel about the same as I always have.

SaintsBro 12-19-2013 01:59 PM

Re: How do you feel about mark ingram now?
 
I look forward to seeing him against Tampa Bay in the Dome in two weeks, ESPECIALLY if we are resting Pierre and Sproles, but beyond that .... not sure.

As far as the way he runs, I like him MUCH better recently, it's been like someone lit a fire under him. Got to stop spinning and spiking the ball, though. This is the NFL, just leave it there or give it to the ref.

If the Tampa game becomes meaningless it would be REALLY interesting to just put Ingram out there, sink or swim, give him a really heavy workload, see what he can do as a "conventional" feature back....let other teams see it as well.

I know a lot of people liked Chris Ivory and I liked him too, he was fun... but I've had one of those weird "flash" time travel moments where I saw into the future, I saw the 2015-16 Saints and beyond, and I'm convinced Khiry Robinson is Pierre Thomas 2.0 -- just give him a couple of years to grow. Running the screen, blocking for Drew, scrambling through holes when there are none, powerful runner, fighting, never giving up -- I believe he can do all that, just give him time to grow into it.

saintfan 12-19-2013 02:42 PM

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I refuse to comment on this here thread...

Danno 12-19-2013 02:49 PM

Re: How do you feel about mark ingram now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 561857)
I refuse to comment on this here thread...

I admire your conviction.

Beastmode 12-19-2013 02:50 PM

Re: How do you feel about mark ingram now?
 
Sometimes Sproles and PT will create something out of nothing. I'll just leave it at that.

Papa Voodoo 12-19-2013 03:14 PM

Re: How do you feel about mark ingram now?
 
The man has a wicked stiff arm, but no leg drive whatsoever. I think Reggie had more power in his legs. I say drop him, keep Robinson, and use Pierre more.

Saintsfan06 12-19-2013 03:29 PM

Re: How do you feel about mark ingram now?
 
I don't know i think ingram can and should be the starter. Him and thomas run hard every play even when there no where to go. I say give him the work load or atleast give him and thomas more carries then usual.Also we used a first rounder on him .

Crusader 12-19-2013 03:34 PM

Re: How do you feel about mark ingram now?
 
I would love for it to happen but I just haven't seen it so far.

Rugby Saint II 12-19-2013 03:39 PM

Re: How do you feel about mark ingram now?
 
Ship him out.

Goldmember 12-19-2013 03:56 PM

Re: How do you feel about mark ingram now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 561825)
I just love invisible threads.. So much intrigue.


New Orleans will not have a 1000 yard rusher as long as Sean Payton is coach.

...Maybe it won't be Ingram, but it'll happen. Have some faith Oak.

ssvnewman 12-19-2013 04:00 PM

Re: How do you feel about mark ingram now?
 
Think he would work great on a team that features a fullback lead blocker. Do not think he has the sight to see the holes unless a fullback leads him into it. Like San Francisco or the Giants.., say we trade him and get some offensive line help!

Jack Vegas 12-19-2013 04:00 PM

Re: How do you feel about mark ingram now?
 
You're right....it is repetitive.

WhoDat!656 12-19-2013 05:14 PM

Re: How do you feel about mark ingram now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Goldmember (Post 561875)
...Maybe it won't be Ingram, but it'll happen. Have some faith Oak.

Not as long as the Saints keep as many RBs as we do, plus throwing the ball as much as we do.

halloween 65 12-19-2013 05:25 PM

Re: How do you feel about mark ingram now?
 
Is he still on the team, I havent seen much of our offense lately at all.

K Major 12-19-2013 05:49 PM

Re: How do you feel about mark ingram now?
 
I will never question his heart.. over the last few weeks, he has run the ball better and with more authority. He is still a member of this team and I'm pulling for him to succeed 100%.

Que' sera sera.

MatthewT 12-19-2013 06:18 PM

Re: How do you feel about mark ingram now?
 
Mark Ingram is potentially a great RB, but unfortunately I doubt he will ever reach his potential playing for the Saints. The Saints should do him a favor and move him after the season is over.

AllSaints 12-19-2013 06:27 PM

Re: How do you feel about mark ingram now?
 
Mark Ingram was good.... At Alabama ppl talk bout ivory being glass this guy Ingram gets his toe stepped on he is out 3 weeks

TheOak 12-19-2013 06:44 PM

Re: How do you feel about mark ingram now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Goldmember (Post 561875)
...Maybe it won't be Ingram, but it'll happen. Have some faith Oak.


Whether we have 1 1000 yard back or 4 250 yard backs the end result is the same. 1000 yards rushing.

You misunderstood my reply. I put absolutely zero credence in "we need a 1000 yard running back".

Sean Payton was burned at the end of a season searching for RBs he will never have a 1000 work horse that will leave him hanging again.

He spreads the ball, no one gets enough carries for 1000 yards

The Dude 12-19-2013 07:15 PM

Re: How do you feel about mark ingram now?
 
Ingram sucks and is a bust in our system.

Boutte 12-19-2013 07:25 PM

Re: How do you feel about mark ingram now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 561916)
Ingram sucks and is a bust in our system.

Don't be so vague.

hagan714 12-19-2013 07:47 PM

Re: How do you feel about mark ingram now?
 
:poke:

here we go
:deadhorse2:
will the saints build a line for run game once again?

:nono2:

westbankdaze 12-19-2013 08:47 PM

Re: How do you feel about mark ingram now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Saintsfan06 (Post 561821)
I know this is probably repetitive to see, but how do you guys feel about mark Ingram with the way he runs and if we can get a better push on the o-line do you think he can be a starter (1000+ rusher) next year?


Still sucks.

Saintaintso 12-19-2013 09:17 PM

Re: How do you feel about mark ingram now?
 
Ingram is a Baller. He's an old school back being that he wont flash on his first 3 or 4 carries but as time goes on and you continue to give him the ball he gets stronger. The one time we gave him decent blocking he averaged better than a first down per carry. Most people here are fans , however for those that study film and have played at a high level even coached , know he is one or two Pro Bowl O lineman away from taking us to the next level.

jeanpierre 12-19-2013 09:19 PM

Re: How do you feel about mark ingram now?
 
He's still a bust as a pick; and as I've said, the blame is on coaching, front office and Mark Ingram...

Trading back into that spot, Henry Hindsight will tell you we could have had...LB Akeem Ayers, DL Muhammad Wilkerson (My preferred pick), DL Cameron Heyward, DE/OLB Brooks Reed...

Or we could have picked a RB in the second round that was just as productive (used) and kept the following year first round pick allowing Goodell to take that pick and have kept the two second round picks we were penalized...

But keep trying Mark, maybe we'll evenutally use you and you'll gain yards after contact before you leave for Miami or NYG and subsequently break out...

Ashley 12-20-2013 05:35 AM

Re: How do you feel about mark ingram now?
 
No different, he may be good, but on this team we will never know.

papz 12-20-2013 05:41 AM

Re: How do you feel about mark ingram now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Saintaintso (Post 561940)
he is one or two Pro Bowl O lineman away from taking us to the next level.

Think about that for a minute.

TheOak 12-20-2013 06:34 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by papz (Post 561989)
Think about that for a minute.

Ok, I have stopped chuckling now...

papz, you are just one comment away from taking our members to the next level. :bng:

44Champs 12-20-2013 08:26 AM

Re: How do you feel about mark ingram now?
 
MI's just in the wrong system. He needs a lot of carries as a #1 back to reap the success that he saw in college.

I didn't like Reggie Bush's production when he was here. He probably did all that east/west running cuz he knew he wasn't gonna touch the ball 20 times a game and wanted to make the most out of every carry. He's much more productive now in Detroit.

Danno 12-20-2013 08:45 AM

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Rushing leaders
Mark Ingram 62 -283 -4.6
Darren Sproles 49 -219 -4.5
Khiry Robinson 36 -156 -4.3
Pierre Thomas 136 -521 -3.8

Receiving leaders (RBs)
Mark Ingram 5 -58 -11.6
Darren Sproles 66 -556 -8.4
Pierre Thomas 71 -503 -7.1

Bust and sucks huh?

TheOak 12-20-2013 09:11 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 562006)
Rushing leaders
Mark Ingram 62 -283 -4.6
Darren Sproles 49 -219 -4.5
Khiry Robinson 36 -156 -4.3
Pierre Thomas 136 -521 -3.8

Receiving leaders (RBs)
Mark Ingram 5 -58 -11.6
Darren Sproles 66 -556 -8.4
Pierre Thomas 71 -503 -7.1

Bust and sucks huh?

I dont believe he is a bust or sucks... mediocre RB? Definitely.

For statistical purposes, you may want to calculate the average of a sample excluding its highest and lowest values. This gives you a lessor skewed result.

I took away his best game and his worst game Dallas and Carolina this season this removed a game with 10.36 YPC and a game with 1.33 YPC.

Rushing 2013
45 attempts 134 yards.
2.9 YPC for <----Heavily skewed from 4.56 YPC for all games.

Rushing 2012
136 Attempts 499 yards
3.66 YPC < -----not much of a change from 3.86 YPC for all games

Rushing 2011
101 Attempts 372 yards
3.68 YPC < -----not much of a change from 3.89 YPC for all games


His pass blocking efficiency is 82.7, that is the lowest on the team. He has allowed 2 hits, 1 hurry, and 3 pressures in 13 pass blocking snaps.

Ingrams drop rate on passes is 16.67, the highest on the team. of 7 targets, 6 were catchable, 5 receptions and 1 drop.

Yards after Contact per attempt:
#1 Robinson 2.4
#2 PT 2.3
#3 Ingram 2.2

Only RB on the team with any penalties Ingram - 2

halloween 65 12-20-2013 09:26 AM

Re: How do you feel about mark ingram now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 562011)
I dont believe he is a bust or sucks... mediocre RB? Definitely.

For statistical purposes, you may want to calculate the average of a sample excluding its highest and lowest values. This gives you a lessor skewed result.

I took away his best game and his worst game Dallas and Carolina this season this removed a game with 10.36 YPC and a game with 1.33 YPC.

Rushing 2013
45 attempts 134 yards.
2.9 YPC for <----Heavily skewed from 4.56 YPC for all games.

Rushing 2012
136 Attempts 499 yards
3.66 YPC < -----not much of a change from 3.86 YPC for all games

Rushing 2011
101 Attempts 372 yards
3.68 YPC < -----not much of a change from 3.89 YPC for all games


His pass blocking efficiency is 82.7, that is the lowest on the team. He has allowed 2 hits, 1 hurry, and 3 pressures in 13 pass blocking snaps.

Ingrams drop rate on passes is 16.67, the highest on the team. of 7 targets, 6 were catchable, 5 receptions and 1 drop.

Yards after Contact per attempt:
#1 Robinson 2.4
#2 PT 2.3
#3 Ingram 2.2

Only RB on the team with any penalties Ingram - 2

You really do a good job at breaking things down. I don't always look at the stats because of 1 game might make things look much better than what things overall really are. But in fairness you took the best and worst off the board. Thanks for your work. Now go back to work!!

Danno 12-20-2013 09:30 AM

Re: How do you feel about mark ingram now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 562019)
You really do a good job at breaking things down. I don't always look at the stats because of 1 game might make things look much better than what things overall really are. But in fairness you took the best and worst off the board. Thanks for your work. Now go back to work!!

Agreed, I wasn't trying to say Ingram is the equivalent of Emmitt Smith, but I think its obvious he doesn't suck and he isn't a bust. I think that's absurd.

He's slightly miscast in our offense and would probably have more success elsewhere, as have a few of our other former RB's

TheOak 12-20-2013 10:05 AM

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My opinions are the polar opposite from some peoples because yards/season is fairly irrelevant to me.

500 carries and 1000 yards is 2.0 YPC and I do not find that indicative of a good running back.

200 carries and 1000 yards is 5.0 YPC and that is a dam fine season.

I would take Andre Ellington with 94/558 over Chris Johnson with 230/860 for the Saints any day.

saintsfan1976 12-20-2013 10:07 AM

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Miscast in our offense. Haven't we said that about nearly every RB not named Sproles or Thomas?

K Major 12-20-2013 11:07 AM

Re: How do you feel about mark ingram now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 561916)
Ingram sucks and is a bust in our system.

Wow...that my friend is excessive.

hagan714 12-20-2013 11:39 AM

Re: How do you feel about mark ingram now?
 
i never like the move in the draft and try to leave that price tag out of it.

it the system. RB have to a complete package. run catch block as pointed out here. they do not need to be dominate in any one phese of the game but need to be good at them all. PT is perfect but SP refuses to believe it. that the type of RB we should draft.

Ingram needs a ton carries in a ground oriented offense before i judge bust our not. he aint going to get that workload here.

So if the offers is right and a RB in the draft is on the board i say pull the trigger and make the trade and get another well rounder RB. Charles Sims RB West Virgina looks to be the most dynamic impact player that can run and catch. the pass blocking is solid but does need work.

Do both parties a favor. Ingram gets his carries and the saints get a solid draft choice which right now i would guess a third.


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