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Saintaintso 12-19-2013 09:44 PM

Why Ingram is the Answer
 
Lets face it. We are a HighWire act. Ultra Finesse , Quick Slants, Few Screens , Couple Shot Plays and were done. That's our Entire Arsenal.

Don't Believe me ? Let's take a Look at our Most Frustrating Losses this year. Tom Brady excluded he's of something not of this Planet. Seriously.

Jet's . Rams . Seahawks .

What Have they All In Common ? Stellar Front 4s. 3rd Down and Distance in those games ?

Average 3rd and 13 ... Which Means our first two Downs against Great Defensive Lines we are averaging on 1st and 2nd down a total net of -1.5 Yards !

My Thesis ? We abandon the run too early in the game. Especially when were on the road , especially when were down which only creates a vicious cycle of Offensive Failure. We start out right with a Nice Run on 1st Down. Miss Completely on 2nd Down And on 3rd We Put Immense Pressure on our Already embarrassingly weak Offensive Line.

The Answer ? , no it's no revolutionary Double Move Spider 2 Y banana. It's to Keep pounding the ball. As frustrating as a 2 or 3 yard gain is when we are used to setting Records we need to put things into perspective. Although its only a short gain it wares on the Defensive Line. Which later on in the drive or game creates time for Drew when we do decide to take those " Shots " downfield they are wide friggin open. Complementary football Ladies and Gentleman.


My Proposal ... Feed Ingram Early and Often. If He gets a Hole he is good for 10 ( See Dallas ) Mind you that was the Same Dallas Defense that went into Philly and Shut Down the Leagues Leading Rusher Completely. And to Date he is our only answer against physical teams such as Seattle or a San Francisco on the road.

Oh and By The Way , Have you seen him Block on Passing Plays ? There Were a Few Plays where Robert Quinn Got Jacked up after easily beating our slow and weak Tackles. Ingram was there and he Let Quinn know how he felt about him touching his Quarterback.

Facts are Facts when he gets rolling we are a different team. Either that or we just keep lobbing the ball up praying we come down with it.

To Win a Bowl you Need to run the ball. We Drafted him , lets allow him a true opportunity succeed.

Like it or Not , We'll have to go on the Road this postseason ... And We're going to need that tenacity and those yards.

WhoDat!656 12-19-2013 10:00 PM

Re: Why Ingram is the Answer
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Saintaintso (Post 561944)
Lets face it. We are a HighWire act. Ultra Finesse , Quick Slants, Few Screens , Couple Shot Plays and were done. That's our Entire Arsenal.

Don't Believe me ? Let's take a Look at our Most Frustrating Losses this year. Tom Brady excluded he's of something not of this Planet. Seriously.

Jet's . Rams . Seahawks .

What Have they All In Common ? Stellar Front 4s. 3rd Down and Distance in those games ?

Average 3rd and 13 ... Which Means our first two Downs against Great Defensive Lines we are averaging on 1st and 2nd down a total net of -1.5 Yards !

My Thesis ? We abandon the run too early in the game. Especially when were on the road , especially when were down which only creates a vicious cycle of Offensive Failure. We start out right with a Nice Run on 1st Down. Miss Completely on 2nd Down And on 3rd We Put Immense Pressure on our Already embarrassingly weak Offensive Line.

The Answer ? , no it's no revolutionary Double Move Spider 2 Y banana. It's to Keep pounding the ball. As frustrating as a 2 or 3 yard gain is when we are used to setting Records we need to put things into perspective. Although its only a short gain it wares on the Defensive Line. Which later on in the drive or game creates time for Drew when we do decide to take those " Shots " downfield they are wide friggin open. Complementary football Ladies and Gentleman.


My Proposal ... Feed Ingram Early and Often. If He gets a Hole he is good for 10 ( See Dallas ) Mind you that was the Same Dallas Defense that went into Philly and Shut Down the Leagues Leading Rusher Completely. And to Date he is our only answer against physical teams such as Seattle or a San Francisco on the road.

Oh and By The Way , Have you seen him Block on Passing Plays ? There Were a Few Plays where Robert Quinn Got Jacked up after easily beating our slow and weak Tackles. Ingram was there and he Let Quinn know how he felt about him touching his Quarterback.

Facts are Facts when he gets rolling we are a different team. Either that or we just keep lobbing the ball up praying we come down with it.

To Win a Bowl you Need to run the ball. We Drafted him , lets allow him a true opportunity succeed.

Like it or Not , We'll have to go on the Road this postseason ... And We're going to need that tenacity and those yards.

You are forgetting that Dallas has one of the worst defenses on the planet; they are close to breaking the Saints record for most yards given up.

Ingram can run through a hole if it is wide enough for a semi; otherwise he either needs a guide dog to find it or runs into the back of his linemen. He hasn't learned to be patient and wait for the holes to open up and to be ready to hit them!

I agree that the Saints need to run more, but IMO, the Saints should trade Ingram for a more needed position.

SaintLeonard 12-19-2013 10:12 PM

Re: Why Ingram is the Answer
 
How much would Ingram even be worth in a trade? A 5th rounder maybe?

The Dude 12-19-2013 10:13 PM

Re: Why Ingram is the Answer
 
Ingram is a bust in our system. He cannot get any yards after contact. As stated if the Red Sea parts in front of him then he will get a few yards until someone acually touches him.PT and Sproles can get yards when there arent any to get and actually break tackles. In a different offense where he would get the bulk of the carries maybe he could hit his stride but it aint happeing here.
Hopefully he still has some trade value. I would take a 7th round pick for him at this point.

Halo 12-19-2013 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 561948)
Ingram is a bust in our system. He cannot get any yards after contact. As stated if the Red Sea parts in front of him then he will get a few yards until someone acually touches him.PT and Sproles can get yards when there arent any to get and actually break tackles. In a different offense where he would get the bulk of the carries maybe he could hit his stride but it aint happeing here.
Hopefully he still has some trade value. I would take a 7th round pick for him at this point.

In our system, we would make Barry Sanders look like a bust. We don't even try to run the ball. When we do start running (and yes we can) we abruptly stop. Again, no runningback will ever look "good" in a Sean Payton offense. I think Pierre Thomas is a marquee NFL running back, but he simply does not have the yards or carries to back that up. Then again, we just don't run the ball - like we don't even try.

Saintaintso 12-19-2013 10:35 PM

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I stopped reading after he cant get any yards after contact .. you blind boy ?

Jamessr 12-19-2013 10:53 PM

Re: Why Ingram is the Answer
 
Oh more of "You gonna accept Ingram and Like him" threads

TBH with you these threads are like Obamacare... Forced on you and unwanted by some if not most. If we feed ingram more what about our passing game? What about PT? Sproles? Cadet?
I'm sorry he just doesn't seem to fit to me.

Wasted 1st round pick imo

foreverfan 12-19-2013 11:07 PM

Re: Why Ingram is the Answer
 
Obviosly you don't understand your own question.

Beastmode 12-19-2013 11:09 PM

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I would not say wasted. We were desperate for a RB and he dropped about 5 spots and was healthy. His rookie season he looked solid behind a good OL but he got hurt, then we began loosing the OL. No RB is going to have much success behind what we have now. It's patched together. We have a rookie starting this week and Brees is taking some of the worst hits in his Saints career.

jeanpierre 12-19-2013 11:11 PM

Re: Why Ingram is the Answer
 
Our "system" is like the Walsh 49ers and the best "fit" is a "Roger Craig" type of running back...

jeanpierre 12-19-2013 11:12 PM

Re: Why Ingram is the Answer
 
Can we merge some of these Mark Ingram discussion threads; there's some really good discussion, but it's all over the place?!?

Mr.Riaton 12-19-2013 11:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jamessr (Post 561953)
Oh more of "You gonna accept Ingram and Like him" threads

TBH with you these threads are like Obamacare... Forced on you and unwanted by some if not most. If we feed ingram more what about our passing game? What about PT? Sproles? Cadet?
I'm sorry he just doesn't seem to fit to me.

Wasted 1st round pick imo

These threads are not forced on anybody. You came read this thread on your own and the best part is you posted a comment about Ingram!Frickin hilarious! These threads cant bother you that much!lol

AlaskaSaints 12-19-2013 11:45 PM

Re: Why Ingram is the Answer
 
Play Khiry. More than one down per game.

His style of running is the answer we have been searching for. See; Chris Ivory.

Alaska

WHODATINCA 12-19-2013 11:51 PM

Re: Why Ingram is the Answer
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AlaskaSaints (Post 561964)
Play Khiry. More than one down per game.

His style of running is the answer we have been searching for. See; Chris Ivory.

Alaska

^^^Um, this. Best answer I've heard all thread. Thanks, Alaska.

Saintaintso 12-20-2013 12:26 AM

Re: Why Ingram is the Answer
 
We're going to need Robinson and Ingram for Seattle part 3 ...

Saintaintso 12-20-2013 12:28 AM

Re: Why Ingram is the Answer
 
We better start practicing handing the ball off ... We're not just going to instantly click into a smash mouth offense that can travel because it would be convenient ... Let's get our offense synced up so we run into them on fire not scared of where the punch is coming from next

lee909 12-20-2013 12:45 AM

Re: Why Ingram is the Answer
 
Give Thomas 15-20 carries a game if you want to run.He is the best back on the roster.Actually id go as far to say he and Doug Martin are the best two backs in the NFC South by a distance.

Saintaintso 12-20-2013 12:59 AM

Re: Why Ingram is the Answer
 
Ingram would be a god in San Fran ... Guess why

Jack Vegas 12-20-2013 01:05 AM

Re: Why Ingram is the Answer
 
I think the OP should voluntarily stop posting Ingram threads in the name of forum goodwill. This is nothing less than troll behavior.

Israelisaint 12-20-2013 03:14 AM

Re: Why Ingram is the Answer
 
I'd like to see Ingram get 35 carries... in Week 17 after we've wrapped up the #2 seed. Indeed, let Luke McCown hand off to him every play.

SaintLeonard 12-20-2013 04:06 AM

Re: Why Ingram is the Answer
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 561973)
Give Thomas 15-20 carries a game if you want to run.He is the best back on the roster.Actually id go as far to say he and Doug Martin are the best two backs in the NFC South by a distance.

That's not going far at all imo. It's pretty clear if you ask me.

TheOak 12-20-2013 05:34 AM

Why Ingram is the Answer
 
Merging Ingram threads is an exercise in futility. There will always be the new or veteran member that doesn't bother to use the search feature, or the member on a dextrose/caffeine induced moment of clarity firing up a brand new one.

Is there anything wrong with talking about Ingram? Certainly not

Is there an angle that hasn't been covered a 1/2 dozen times? Certainly not

Has there been any new events to warrant another Mark Ingram thread? Certainly not

There is also already a week 16 Mark Ingram thread.

hagan714 12-20-2013 11:59 AM

Re: Why Ingram is the Answer
 
ingram should bring a 3 at least

look he has been on and off the field with injuries since day one. he does not get the carries here to get into a grove.

round peg square hole? not sure but i will give him props. this is the best all round performance i have see out of him since coming of injury ever

saintfan 12-20-2013 12:09 PM

Re: Why Ingram is the Answer
 
I said it before. If teams had some small percentage of respect for our ability to run the ball we'd have locked up home field a few weeks ago. It's not Mark's fault, or PT, or Sproles.


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