CBS Sports Article Points Out Saints 2014 Salary Cap Challenge

hagan714 · 12-22-2013, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by Luda34

I hate the fact that a lot of you have Strief in your future we can find someone cheaper and better than this guy.

another way to look at streif is this

almost all your OT are free agents in 2014

who would you bring back to help plug any holes the OL may have in a pinch?

Strief is our #1 OT and has played very well as a starter. the rest i can not say the same for.

If i was the coach Streif is my #1 security blanket on the OL as a whole. OC OG OT name it. he plays both ROT and LOT very well. i would want to do everything in my power to get as many years out of him as i can. in a perfect world he plays for no other team and retires a saint. even if he spends the rest of his days as a saint as our #1 back up.

ScottF · 12-22-2013, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Graham is a TE, it's the only way he can be tagged. Tag him as a WR and he becomes a WR..... his records go away and we no longer have the top TE in the NFL, we have a WR with the 14th most yards.

true, but you know his snake of an agent is going to point to the percentage of times JG lined up as a WR and make a case
I think this one will be ugly, Drew Brees ugly

jeanpierre · 12-22-2013, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Graham is a TE, it's the only way he can be tagged. Tag him as a WR and he becomes a WR..... his records go away and we no longer have the top TE in the NFL, we have a WR with the 14th most yards.

Hey, Graham's on my FB banner, one of my favorites; but, business is business and I'd also bring up where he ranks as a wide receiver as pointed out and leading the league in drops in 2012...

But, the main thing these guys have got to understand is this -

Every available dollar under the salary cap will be spent on the entire team, but they must allow enough cap money to be available so as to have great supporting cast teammates (unlike Brees' agent, Tom Condon)...

Then, they can win Superbowls and get to the real money in Championship Endorsements, SNL Appearances & Dancing with the Stars...

ScottF · 12-22-2013, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Every available dollar under the salary cap will be spent on the entire team, but they must allow enough cap money to be available so as to have great supporting cast teammates (unlike Brees' agent, Tom Condon)...

..

Condon's 'teammate', BTW, is Jimmy's agent. Same company.

jeanpierre · 12-22-2013, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by ScottF

Condon's 'teammate', BTW, is Jimmy's agent. Same company.

Glad you picked up on that...

Major clients give NFL agent Tom Condon a lot of clout

TheOak · 12-22-2013, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by ScottF

true, but you know his snake of an agent is going to point to the percentage of times JG lined up as a WR and make a case

I think this one will be ugly, Drew Brees ugly

It's been tried before but I'm not sure to what success.

And there are the HoF implications. Jimmy Graham has a fantastic chance of getting in the Hall of Fame if his career is long enough and he continues to preform as he does as a TE. There is the old duck adage, if it's paid as a WR, played as a WR, and tagged a WR..... It ain't gettin in as a TE.

We know how he is played but this is a formal tag and will change things.

ScottF · 12-22-2013, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

It's been tried before but I'm not sure to what success.

And there are the HoF implications. Jimmy Graham has a fantastic chance of getting in the Hall of Fame if his career is long enough and he continues to preform as he does as a TE. There is the old duck adage, if it's paid as a WR, played as a WR, and tagged a WR..... It ain't gettin in as a TE.

We know how he is played but this is a formal tag and will change things.

Yes, there is some precedent, someone from St. Louis last year, and I believe some LB's that wanted to be tagged as DE's. This however, will be the biggest case.
End of the day, Jimmy is in the 4th year of a rookie contract. No one could have seen how great he would become, but bottom line, he has gotten screwed. Good business, bad HR. Let's just pay him.

TheOak · 12-22-2013, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by ScottF

Yes, there is some precedent, someone from St. Louis last year, and I believe some LB's that wanted to be tagged as DE's. This however, will be the biggest case.

End of the day, Jimmy is in the 4th year of a rookie contract. No one could have seen how great he would become, but bottom line, he has gotten screwed. Good business, bad HR. Let's just pay him.

Nahhh, I wouldn't say he has gotten screwed, he just out played his contract. Drew out played his initial Saints contract, and while people think a contract should change weekly based on how a player performs, it just doesn't work that way.

Players and teams want contracts because they both thrive on certain parts of a contract. The Saints get cheap TDs and Jimmy Graham gets paid when he drops passes or is hurt.

It could be fixed Beaty easily.... $x for a TD and $Y for a yard. Neither side wants that.

There is harmony and balance.... Will Smith has grossly under played his contract.

12-22-2013, 09:06 AM	#21
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: CBS Sports Article Points Out Saints 2014 Salary Cap Challenge Originally Posted by Luda34 I hate the fact that a lot of you have Strief in your future we can find someone cheaper and better than this guy. another way to look at streif is this almost all your OT are free agents in 2014 who would you bring back to help plug any holes the OL may have in a pinch? Strief is our #1 OT and has played very well as a starter. the rest i can not say the same for. If i was the coach Streif is my #1 security blanket on the OL as a whole. OC OG OT name it. he plays both ROT and LOT very well. i would want to do everything in my power to get as many years out of him as i can. in a perfect world he plays for no other team and retires a saint. even if he spends the rest of his days as a saint as our #1 back up. Danno likes this.
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12-22-2013, 09:19 AM	#22
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: CBS Sports Article Points Out Saints 2014 Salary Cap Challenge Originally Posted by TheOak Graham is a TE, it's the only way he can be tagged. Tag him as a WR and he becomes a WR..... his records go away and we no longer have the top TE in the NFL, we have a WR with the 14th most yards. true, but you know his snake of an agent is going to point to the percentage of times JG lined up as a WR and make a case I think this one will be ugly, Drew Brees ugly

12-22-2013, 09:34 AM	#23
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: CBS Sports Article Points Out Saints 2014 Salary Cap Challenge Originally Posted by TheOak Graham is a TE, it's the only way he can be tagged. Tag him as a WR and he becomes a WR..... his records go away and we no longer have the top TE in the NFL, we have a WR with the 14th most yards. Hey, Graham's on my FB banner, one of my favorites; but, business is business and I'd also bring up where he ranks as a wide receiver as pointed out and leading the league in drops in 2012... But, the main thing these guys have got to understand is this - Every available dollar under the salary cap will be spent on the entire team, but they must allow enough cap money to be available so as to have great supporting cast teammates (unlike Brees' agent, Tom Condon)... Then, they can win Superbowls and get to the real money in Championship Endorsements, SNL Appearances & Dancing with the Stars... ScottF likes this.
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12-22-2013, 09:37 AM	#24
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: CBS Sports Article Points Out Saints 2014 Salary Cap Challenge Originally Posted by jeanpierre Every available dollar under the salary cap will be spent on the entire team, but they must allow enough cap money to be available so as to have great supporting cast teammates (unlike Brees' agent, Tom Condon)... .. Condon's 'teammate', BTW, is Jimmy's agent. Same company.

12-22-2013, 09:41 AM	#25
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: CBS Sports Article Points Out Saints 2014 Salary Cap Challenge Originally Posted by ScottF Condon's 'teammate', BTW, is Jimmy's agent. Same company. Glad you picked up on that... Major clients give NFL agent Tom Condon a lot of clout
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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: CBS Sports Article Points Out Saints 2014 Salary Cap Challenge Originally Posted by ScottF true, but you know his snake of an agent is going to point to the percentage of times JG lined up as a WR and make a case I think this one will be ugly, Drew Brees ugly It's been tried before but I'm not sure to what success. And there are the HoF implications. Jimmy Graham has a fantastic chance of getting in the Hall of Fame if his career is long enough and he continues to preform as he does as a TE. There is the old duck adage, if it's paid as a WR, played as a WR, and tagged a WR..... It ain't gettin in as a TE. We know how he is played but this is a formal tag and will change things.

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ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: CBS Sports Article Points Out Saints 2014 Salary Cap Challenge Originally Posted by TheOak It's been tried before but I'm not sure to what success. And there are the HoF implications. Jimmy Graham has a fantastic chance of getting in the Hall of Fame if his career is long enough and he continues to preform as he does as a TE. There is the old duck adage, if it's paid as a WR, played as a WR, and tagged a WR..... It ain't gettin in as a TE. We know how he is played but this is a formal tag and will change things. Yes, there is some precedent, someone from St. Louis last year, and I believe some LB's that wanted to be tagged as DE's. This however, will be the biggest case. End of the day, Jimmy is in the 4th year of a rookie contract. No one could have seen how great he would become, but bottom line, he has gotten screwed. Good business, bad HR. Let's just pay him.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	CBS Sports Article Points Out Saints 2014 Salary Cap Challenge Originally Posted by ScottF Yes, there is some precedent, someone from St. Louis last year, and I believe some LB's that wanted to be tagged as DE's. This however, will be the biggest case. End of the day, Jimmy is in the 4th year of a rookie contract. No one could have seen how great he would become, but bottom line, he has gotten screwed. Good business, bad HR. Let's just pay him. Nahhh, I wouldn't say he has gotten screwed, he just out played his contract. Drew out played his initial Saints contract, and while people think a contract should change weekly based on how a player performs, it just doesn't work that way. Players and teams want contracts because they both thrive on certain parts of a contract. The Saints get cheap TDs and Jimmy Graham gets paid when he drops passes or is hurt. It could be fixed Beaty easily.... $x for a TD and $Y for a yard. Neither side wants that. There is harmony and balance.... Will Smith has grossly under played his contract.
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