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Why was Payton willing to gamble on an on-side kick and motion out of a FG attempt but wouldn't throw for a 1st down on 3rd down in the Saints final possession?

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He made some abysmal decisions today but overall had the feel of a guy who is really scared to lose. Has he lost his edge? The Saints didn't become what they are by playing it safe.

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Whodat!656... this also happened in the New England game. I felt we needed to throw the football early in that drive, or at least on 2nd down to keep the clock moving.

Then again, these past two weeks especially our offensive line gives up way too much pressure on Brees. Maybe Payton felt it was best to just run the football and take his chances that way.

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I had no problem with runs on 1st and 2nd down but in the Live Chat I wanted them to have the option to throw on 3rd. I wanted to see them roll out Brees and if he has a guy open throw it, if not eat it and let some clock run off. Payton coached that game at the end not to lose and got burned for it. It was very odd considering he's usually a very aggressive coach.

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You'll get nothing and like it.

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Payton has notoriously played the run game poorely his entire careeer here. He tries to fit a round peg in a square hole.

that being said we were having a little success running today, just not on that last job.

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Running the ball 3 straight times kept the clock running, but I agree a QB roll out would have a better call on 3rd down

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should have thrown the ball atleast once

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Carolina was selling out for the run on that series. On 3rd down a nice play action, bootleg would of been the perfect call. You hope someone slips open and you pick up an easy first. If no one gets open, eat it and run the clock down. Don't know why we ran it on 3rd right up the gut into their entire defense.

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hindsight is always 20/20... If they would have ran it 3 times and got the first, we'd all be saying how Payton is a genius for not giving up on the run...

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And if Brees had thrown and gotten picked or sacked we would be shytting a squealing worm

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I miss Carmichael calling the plays. Payton's year off was supposed to make him enlightened and instead he took over play calling duties and blew it big time this season.

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Blew it like a porn star!

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He was scared. He did not have faith in Drew.

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There were some very dubious decisions made by the coaching staff today.

As to why they were made, I guess we we will never really know.

I still have faith, but that doesn't make today's game less awful.

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If you cant trust your offensive line to protect your future hall of fame QB its hard not to be scared. Drew has been running for his life and picking himself up off the ground waaaaaay too much this year. Everything comes down from the offensive line, its a trickle down effect from there.
Drew has turned the ball over waaayyyy less than he did last season and that is amazing seeing as his line is even worse.
I guess what I am sayin is that Payton was of the mindset "damned if you do damned if you dont.
Drew throws and interception or doesnt get a first down throwing the ball and everyone would be crying that Payton should have run it because our running game was kind of working for once.

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Totally agree here.

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Payton has real issues with playcalling

He says in training camp he will committ to the run, goes away from it when we have success and then tries to go back to the run game when we should be passing it

Then when all we need is one first down, he calls 3 consecutive runs up the gut vs a 9 man front

He has certainly lost his edge, that year out did nothing but ruin our offense on his return

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Because the opposite was expected and everyone has been yelling that we are too predictable?

I'm just spitballing here but that seems logical.

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The way the defense was playing, I didn't have a problem with 3 straight runs. It just would have been nice if the OL could have blocked somebody.

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I disagree with the hindsight motion.

You make honest attempt at going for the 1st down and don't get it then it is the execution of the play that lost the game for us. They can't win if they don't have the ball period. I don't buy into trust you D either.

I rather go down TRYING then just LAYING down altogether.

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Playing not to lose instead of playing to win.

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We slapped their O around all day. Why not trust them to hold for 52 seconds?

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The play that was the real backbreaker to me was not the touchdown, but the long pass to Ginn a couple plays before the touchdown. That was when I was like "uh-oh" and started flashing back to San Francisco.

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Arrogance trickles down I guess.

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That series doesn't matter in the overall scheme. Don't get so focused on 2 min of football and miss the other 58 mins. The play calling was awful for most of the game, but him putting the ball on the ground at the end isn't to big of a deal.

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Morestead kicked a very short punt at the end. He should have gotten more into it. It gave the Panthers hope for OT.

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Should of hit a play action pass on first down everone expects a run to kill the clock or not throw a pick in situations like this be aggressive and suprise them thats how you make plays

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There is another solution from time to time also, Brees could scramle when no one downfield is open instead of staying in the pocket getting sacked or throwing into coverage when the recievers can't get open. He is in no way a running or option type of qb. but about every DC that game plans for us knows he is not going to run and will hold the ball way to long at times. A few scrambles each game would keep a D on their toes and we might have a few yds. out of it and less int.'s.

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if we would have stayed with the same style of defense i would agree. once i saw an extra 3 yards added to the WR cushion i sank in my seat. i hate prevent of any style. if it working stick with it

as stated by Danno

Playing not to lose instead of playing to win.

big difference

That blame falls on the coaches