Sean Payton's play calling
 

Same play style that blew a FG against Carolina last night won the Saints a SB.

"Do something different"
It fails
"Why did we do something different"

When out of the box thinking works it's called brilliance; when it fails, a coaches integrity, heart, and intelligence are questioned. Nothing works all the time and some fans need to learn to take the bad with the good.

Trying not to be such a hypocrite has nothing to do with blind faith, but some need to recognize that the difference between a great coach and a bad coach is not always the outcome of a couple of risky plays.

Sean Payton is hands down the best coach this team has ever had and quite possibly will have for quite a while.

If you really do not like the QB and the coach, why are you a fan of that team? Colors? Mascot?

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But calling 3 consecutive runs up the gut against 9 man fronts when we needed 1 first down

How about calling 2 consecutive screens when the first lost us 6 yards and carolina made it clear they knew all of our screen looks

He called that swing pass to pierre 4 times and we didnt gain positive yardage on any of them

I just think he needs to stop the committee approach and leave people in the game, we are way too predictable

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same thing over and over. But this time we get zero results

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Payton is a great coach... just not a very good offensive coordinator; at least not the best we have available.

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Unbelievable.
Payton is great offensive play calling coach. There was no reason not to try to run down the clock with runs the way the defense had been handling their offense all day. Not that role out on third down probably wouldn't have been a better plan.
But the Panthers made the plays when they needed to to win the game and you have to give Scam props for that. Close games go either way and just happens this one didn't go ours, most do.

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If the on-side had backfired, he would have been fried for that one too.

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Do you expect a failed play right after the same play failed? Not many do.

Certainly no one would run a failed play twice so the line up must be a mask for something.

Some times you hide in the open brother. Last thing they are expecting.

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I mostly agree with this sentiment but you gotta admit the safe play calling to not lose games hasn't been working as of late. When the game was close in Atlanta back in November we ran a play to try to get the first down. It worked and allowed us to run out most of the clock. We don't do that in new England and we lose. We don't do it in Carolina and we lose.

I just expect Payton to realize what isn't working and correct it like he did with our LT and kicker. Playing not to lose isn't working.

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He is a great coach but when he blows it we can still put him on blast!

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In other words its about God. I have been saying for a while now God plays a role in sports especially when it matters most. You don't win without God. Its who God deems fit out of the playoff games to deserve a ring the most. With how this season is going, it just might be Denver. But God does not control every winner in the playoffs just the special ones. The rest comes down to experience and knowledge.

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I think the playcalling sucked in this game, and in a few others in the 2nd half of the season.

But I also think Sean Payton is a top 2 or 3 coach (and OC) in the NFL right now.

The last couple of games reminds me of what Bill Parcells said about him. He gets the fever.

I wouldn't trade him or Loomis for anyone right now, but sometimes I just wonder WTF was that?

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And teams have picked up on his "feverish" ways.

And listen, I'm not smart enough to know what plays should have been called, just observant enough to see that too many of the calls are easily sniffed out and snuffed out.

So yes, Payton's play calling has been typical but less than desirable when it counts.

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Yes, but we can't call for his resignation. That takes several seasons of bad play calling and lots of losing. This fan base is spoiled.

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I agree -- I think I said as much recently -- that our play calling is predictable -- personnel packages telegraph the plays.

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he's actually improved on that front. Running one play with Sproles in the backfield that is 90% of the time a pass to Sproles became a first down to colston (or someone).

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I think he has a split personality. Sometimes when the camera is on him he has that funky look in his eyes and his chewing slows down. Then he calls some off the hook play that makes Brees sweat. Maybe he confuses his sessions with Dr. Drew and the Drew wearing number 9.

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Give him his walking papers...................:brood:

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Do you think Carmichael is a better play caller?

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Did we forget last year already?

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We are talking about calling plays. Carmichael lead us to the 2nd ranked offense and a 7-9 record with the worst defense in the history of the league. Carmichael also called the plays in 2011; what do you remember about that year?

The question remains; eho is the better play caller?

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Not only have they picked up on it, I believe they have learned how to induce it and cause him to get the "fever."

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You want to know what "safe play calling" has done the most damage and has not worked for us yet but we continue to do it.

Prevent Defense.

Final drive prevent defense with less than a 7 point lead cost us the game against the Patriots and Panthers.

Panthers (5 plays 65 yards :32s)
http://www.neworleanssaints.com/sche...2013/regular16

Patriots (8 plays 70 yards 1:08)
Other than the final drive there were no scoring drives that were shorter than 3:46.
http://www.neworleanssaints.com/sche.../2013/regular6

In both of those games had we played defense in the last 2:00m like we did in the first 58:00m we are 12-3.

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I still believe in Payton. Now weather he is a better playcaller than Carmichael that is 50-50 in my book.Have teams picked up on what we are doing?yes. Payton is not going with what is working in most games including ones that we have won, it seems he is using a script like a line in the movies with no flexability to it. I think he should go with whats working at the time to make D's adjust to it then change it up from there. If a team has a weakness he can still exploit it. If our run game is working, stick with it, short passes work, stick with it, deep ball, you get the picture. If only one reciever is getting open use him, thats what he does for his living. This is the only season that I have not felt the excitement since he has been our coach but at the same time this is the first time our playbook looks like a movie script, mix it up man, go with the hot hand,I still believe in you.

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Payton is the mastermind behind this offense. He put it together and Carmichael runs Payton's plays. The truth is, none of us know anything about the play calling. How much input does Carmichael have when Payton's on the sideline? Did Payton have any input when he wasn't on the sideline?

I did not see any GM's rushing to pick up Carmichael in the off season.

:confused:
I'm pretty sure God isn't trying to manipulate players so that His favorite team wins every year. Don't you think that the Saints would be His favorite team every year?