blaming brooks when we loose

spkb25 · 10-29-2004, 02:14 PM

im not sure anyone gets it. basically what some people say on here is that brooks is a looser and thats why the saints loose. so forget the other 21 people on the team. wins and losses r the fault of one position. sounds logical. especially when u considering that joe gibbs won the sb with three different qb's. that jim kelly never was able to win one. or for that matter marino. elway was unable too until he had a running game. but the ravens were able to win with dilfer. n now he is quite an excellent qb. i dont know if brooks is the leader we need at qb. i dont think u can win if (n i dont know this is true) only if the team doesnt like him. but he is a good qb. he is a starter or of quality to start in this league. n to be good while doing so. but to blame wins or losses on a qb alone is silly and the logic used i dont get. this is a team game. a complete team game. the eagles were able to win a couple of years back with their third string qb. now the guy cant do crap in miami. the point here is simple, this game is played with 22 guys or more. n wins n losses r a result of all those guys not one person. if we had elway in his prime on this team right now we still wouldnt be winning. our d stinks. plus a host of other problems u guys r already aware of.

now dont write me about loosing a player like moss n how the team wouldnt be the same. because im already aware of that. there r players a team cant do without or it does change their whole perspective. i understand that. but ask urself honestly right now if we loose brooks doesnt that change our whole perspective too. of course.

WhoDat · 10-29-2004, 03:24 PM

U no what I\'m not shure of? I\'m not shure if Brooks where to get lose the offence wood score alot bye the end of the first quarter and that wood help the Saints keep from loosing.

Half this board needs remedial English!

Reading these posts is often harder than AB\'s head.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 10-29-2004, 03:29 PM

Dead horse beating! I want in!!!

im not sure anyone gets it. basically what some people say on here is that brooks is a looser and thats why the saints loose.

Actually there\'s several different cover phrases:

Brooks lacks leadership.

Brooks is unable to inspire the team.

Brooks doesn\'t play with passion.

Brooks clowns and smiles on the sidelines even in losing situations.

Brooks makes critical mistakes at critical times.

Other QBs are better than Brooks because those QBs have been in/won the SB.

Brooks doesn\'t provide a spark for the team.

QBs are rated on wins/losses, not stats.

Generally something in that ballpark.

I\'ll continue to play devil\'s advocate.

so forget the other 21

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people on the team. wins and losses r the fault of one position. sounds logical. especially when u considering that joe gibbs won the sb with three different qb\'s. that jim kelly never was able to win one. or for that matter marino. elway was unable too until he had a running game. but the ravens were able to win with dilfer. n now he is quite an excellent qb. i dont know if brooks is the leader we need at qb. i dont think u can win if (n i dont know this is true) only if the team doesnt like him. but he is a good qb. he is a starter or of quality to start in this league. n to be good while doing so. but to blame wins or losses on a qb alone is silly and the logic used i dont get. this is a team game. a complete team game. the eagles were able to win a couple of years back with their third string qb. now the guy cant do crap in miami. the point here is simple, this game is played with 22 guys or more. n wins n losses r a result of all those guys not one person. if we had elway in his prime on this team right now we still wouldnt be winning. our d stinks. plus a host of other problems u guys r already aware of.

now dont write me about loosing a player like moss n how the team wouldnt be the same. because im already aware of that. there r players a team cant do without or it does change their whole perspective. i understand that. but ask urself honestly right now if we loose brooks doesnt that change our whole perspective too. of course.

Ah well, I guess I won\'t play devils advocate because that\'s right on point.

BTW spkb25, while I have you on the line, a small comment about writing style. Your post
are difficult to read. But not for the reason you think. Studies have shown that English readers key in on the first and last letter of words, along with punctuation and caps for structure. For example:

Tihs sntecene is rbeadale bcuease wlihe the wdors are mpselselid, the fsrit and lsat lteters fit.

But your style removes the contextual cues because the leading and trailing letters are changed.

its harder 4 u 2 read n understand when the letters r missing.

Just a thought,

SFIAH

spkb25 · 10-29-2004, 04:39 PM

point noted saintfan. whodat i cant say i disagree. but i would say that a lot of our first drives in games are failed as a result of dropped balls and penalties. and sometimes what seems to be a lack of play calling that surprises anyone. i cant really say thats brooks fault. i woyuld say that it would be nice to see him have a little better touch pass. he does have the abilty to make the job harder on the receivers at times. but all n all we drop the ball to much. have to many penalties at the start of drives also. but i would agree that if our offense was more eeficient in the first quarter and as a whole really even with a bad d we would be in more games or winning them.

BiggPoppaFro3 · 10-29-2004, 05:01 PM

Well then.... What should we do with Brooks?

And don\'t say draft a new QB, b/c I ain\'t sitting around another 5 years for him to get the system (what ever system that is).

Does that mean we make a play for Drew Brees? He\'s the only real FA I can think of at QB next offseason.

P.S. -- These are merely questions. I\'m not meaning to bark at anyone about anything. I save all my venom for Venturi

by the way, Venturi Sucks.

[Edited on 29/10/2004 by BiggPoppaFro3]

spkb25 · 10-29-2004, 10:41 PM

bro i would say to stick with brooks. hes a much better then average qb. if u can win a sb with trent dilfer u can definitely win one with brooks. i think we need new coaching. i heard n ithink it was from nola.com that haslett is a players coach. well thats all good but it isnt working. i think has will succeed some where else. but he doesnt seem to be able to do that here. i really believe we need new coaching. especially on defense. our problems to me seem less personel n more coaching. even our offense has been sputtering. a few years back we started off 6-2. should have been 7-1. if u think of that year and the way we played i would have to say a better coach could get that out of us every week. we could go 12-4. so i would stick with brooks. i think he is a good athlete n a good qb. i just think haslettt has lost this team.
but bro anything can happen. i hope more then anything we turn it around after the break. because we have a real shot at the division. i dont think atlanta is as good as their record n i didnbt think it befoer they lost as bad as they did. n despite the rest of the world im yet to be impreesed with mike vick as a pro qb. he was great in college n is without a doubt the best athlete in the game. that doesnt make him a great qb. simple as that. his numbers r horrible. well thats what i think anyway

shadowdrinker_x · 10-29-2004, 11:30 PM

as soon as hass is gone..brooks will be soon to follow...if not the same year...the very next...we won\'t see much more of brooks in the big easy...

spkb25 · 10-29-2004, 11:38 PM

shadow whats ur reason for ur opinion

BiggPoppaFro3 · 10-30-2004, 10:12 AM

good point 25. I think Haz may just be a player\'s coach. That\'s not a bad thing b/c it can breed loyalty and trust for a team. Especially good for a young team like ours.

But it works only if you have someone behind you to crack the whip and make sure all those young players and high paid vets know that this is work. He doesn\'t have that it seems. We need an assistant or HC that is like Parcells or Knight: \"you don\'t want to put in the work? Well look, there\'s a prime piece of bench to park your fat @$$ on.\"

I think we can all say we\'ve seen Brooks grow up in the last 2-3 years. Remember how frustrating it was to see him smiling on the sidelines after a loss. I wanted to slap the kid! Now he plays hard and has more put on him (due to O-coord. passing all the time--Stop That Crap!!!) than alot of other kids.

No, he won\'t be Brady. No, he won\'t be Manning. But he is a damn sight better than where we would be if we were stocked with weapons and had Boller or some other wanna-be hot shot kid.

CHACHING · 10-30-2004, 11:59 AM

Brooks might not be the greatest QB out there but he fits our scheme perfectly.........WE NEED A COACH........I like Haz but he doesnt inspire......Look a what Shotty is doing in San Diego(with way less talent than us)...........Brooks is smarter, more accurate and shows poise...........Brooks will get to the superbowl I just hope he\'s wearing the Black And Gold when he does...........ching

10-29-2004, 02:14 PM	#1
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	blaming brooks when we loose im not sure anyone gets it. basically what some people say on here is that brooks is a looser and thats why the saints loose. so forget the other 21 people on the team. wins and losses r the fault of one position. sounds logical. especially when u considering that joe gibbs won the sb with three different qb's. that jim kelly never was able to win one. or for that matter marino. elway was unable too until he had a running game. but the ravens were able to win with dilfer. n now he is quite an excellent qb. i dont know if brooks is the leader we need at qb. i dont think u can win if (n i dont know this is true) only if the team doesnt like him. but he is a good qb. he is a starter or of quality to start in this league. n to be good while doing so. but to blame wins or losses on a qb alone is silly and the logic used i dont get. this is a team game. a complete team game. the eagles were able to win a couple of years back with their third string qb. now the guy cant do crap in miami. the point here is simple, this game is played with 22 guys or more. n wins n losses r a result of all those guys not one person. if we had elway in his prime on this team right now we still wouldnt be winning. our d stinks. plus a host of other problems u guys r already aware of. now dont write me about loosing a player like moss n how the team wouldnt be the same. because im already aware of that. there r players a team cant do without or it does change their whole perspective. i understand that. but ask urself honestly right now if we loose brooks doesnt that change our whole perspective too. of course.

10-29-2004, 03:24 PM	#2
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	blaming brooks when we loose U no what I\'m not shure of? I\'m not shure if Brooks where to get lose the offence wood score alot bye the end of the first quarter and that wood help the Saints keep from loosing. Half this board needs remedial English! Reading these posts is often harder than AB\'s head.
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10-29-2004, 03:29 PM	#3
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,774	blaming brooks when we loose Dead horse beating! I want in!!! im not sure anyone gets it. basically what some people say on here is that brooks is a looser and thats why the saints loose. Actually there\'s several different cover phrases: Brooks lacks leadership. Brooks is unable to inspire the team. Brooks doesn\'t play with passion. Brooks clowns and smiles on the sidelines even in losing situations. Brooks makes critical mistakes at critical times. Other QBs are better than Brooks because those QBs have been in/won the SB. Brooks doesn\'t provide a spark for the team. QBs are rated on wins/losses, not stats. Generally something in that ballpark. I\'ll continue to play devil\'s advocate. so forget the other 21 52 people on the team. wins and losses r the fault of one position. sounds logical. especially when u considering that joe gibbs won the sb with three different qb\'s. that jim kelly never was able to win one. or for that matter marino. elway was unable too until he had a running game. but the ravens were able to win with dilfer. n now he is quite an excellent qb. i dont know if brooks is the leader we need at qb. i dont think u can win if (n i dont know this is true) only if the team doesnt like him. but he is a good qb. he is a starter or of quality to start in this league. n to be good while doing so. but to blame wins or losses on a qb alone is silly and the logic used i dont get. this is a team game. a complete team game. the eagles were able to win a couple of years back with their third string qb. now the guy cant do crap in miami. the point here is simple, this game is played with 22 guys or more. n wins n losses r a result of all those guys not one person. if we had elway in his prime on this team right now we still wouldnt be winning. our d stinks. plus a host of other problems u guys r already aware of. now dont write me about loosing a player like moss n how the team wouldnt be the same. because im already aware of that. there r players a team cant do without or it does change their whole perspective. i understand that. but ask urself honestly right now if we loose brooks doesnt that change our whole perspective too. of course. Ah well, I guess I won\'t play devils advocate because that\'s right on point. BTW spkb25, while I have you on the line, a small comment about writing style. Your post are difficult to read. But not for the reason you think. Studies have shown that English readers key in on the first and last letter of words, along with punctuation and caps for structure. For example: Tihs sntecene is rbeadale bcuease wlihe the wdors are mpselselid, the fsrit and lsat lteters fit. But your style removes the contextual cues because the leading and trailing letters are changed. its harder 4 u 2 read n understand when the letters r missing. Just a thought, SFIAH
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10-29-2004, 04:39 PM	#4
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	blaming brooks when we loose point noted saintfan. whodat i cant say i disagree. but i would say that a lot of our first drives in games are failed as a result of dropped balls and penalties. and sometimes what seems to be a lack of play calling that surprises anyone. i cant really say thats brooks fault. i woyuld say that it would be nice to see him have a little better touch pass. he does have the abilty to make the job harder on the receivers at times. but all n all we drop the ball to much. have to many penalties at the start of drives also. but i would agree that if our offense was more eeficient in the first quarter and as a whole really even with a bad d we would be in more games or winning them.
	Your team stinks

10-29-2004, 05:01 PM	#5
BiggPoppaFro3 Registered Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 71	blaming brooks when we loose Well then.... What should we do with Brooks? And don\'t say draft a new QB, b/c I ain\'t sitting around another 5 years for him to get the system (what ever system that is). Does that mean we make a play for Drew Brees? He\'s the only real FA I can think of at QB next offseason. P.S. -- These are merely questions. I\'m not meaning to bark at anyone about anything. I save all my venom for Venturi by the way, Venturi Sucks. [Edited on 29/10/2004 by BiggPoppaFro3]
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10-29-2004, 10:41 PM	#6
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	blaming brooks when we loose bro i would say to stick with brooks. hes a much better then average qb. if u can win a sb with trent dilfer u can definitely win one with brooks. i think we need new coaching. i heard n ithink it was from nola.com that haslett is a players coach. well thats all good but it isnt working. i think has will succeed some where else. but he doesnt seem to be able to do that here. i really believe we need new coaching. especially on defense. our problems to me seem less personel n more coaching. even our offense has been sputtering. a few years back we started off 6-2. should have been 7-1. if u think of that year and the way we played i would have to say a better coach could get that out of us every week. we could go 12-4. so i would stick with brooks. i think he is a good athlete n a good qb. i just think haslettt has lost this team. but bro anything can happen. i hope more then anything we turn it around after the break. because we have a real shot at the division. i dont think atlanta is as good as their record n i didnbt think it befoer they lost as bad as they did. n despite the rest of the world im yet to be impreesed with mike vick as a pro qb. he was great in college n is without a doubt the best athlete in the game. that doesnt make him a great qb. simple as that. his numbers r horrible. well thats what i think anyway
	Your team stinks

10-29-2004, 11:30 PM	#7
shadowdrinker_x Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 218	blaming brooks when we loose as soon as hass is gone..brooks will be soon to follow...if not the same year...the very next...we won\'t see much more of brooks in the big easy...

10-29-2004, 11:38 PM	#8
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	blaming brooks when we loose shadow whats ur reason for ur opinion

10-30-2004, 10:12 AM	#9
BiggPoppaFro3 Registered Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 71	blaming brooks when we loose good point 25. I think Haz may just be a player\'s coach. That\'s not a bad thing b/c it can breed loyalty and trust for a team. Especially good for a young team like ours. But it works only if you have someone behind you to crack the whip and make sure all those young players and high paid vets know that this is work. He doesn\'t have that it seems. We need an assistant or HC that is like Parcells or Knight: \"you don\'t want to put in the work? Well look, there\'s a prime piece of bench to park your fat @$$ on.\" I think we can all say we\'ve seen Brooks grow up in the last 2-3 years. Remember how frustrating it was to see him smiling on the sidelines after a loss. I wanted to slap the kid! Now he plays hard and has more put on him (due to O-coord. passing all the time--Stop That Crap!!!) than alot of other kids. No, he won\'t be Brady. No, he won\'t be Manning. But he is a damn sight better than where we would be if we were stocked with weapons and had Boller or some other wanna-be hot shot kid.
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10-30-2004, 11:59 AM	#10
CHACHING 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Golden State Posts: 830	blaming brooks when we loose Brooks might not be the greatest QB out there but he fits our scheme perfectly.........WE NEED A COACH........I like Haz but he doesnt inspire......Look a what Shotty is doing in San Diego(with way less talent than us)...........Brooks is smarter, more accurate and shows poise...........Brooks will get to the superbowl I just hope he\'s wearing the Black And Gold when he does...........ching