Armstead Grades????

ScottF · 12-30-2013, 10:16 PM

Lelito has been up and down, exactly what you expect from a rookie, but I can definitely see him passing DLP on depth chart at OC.
DLP has been a cheap stop-gap, but hasn't improved.
Harris at the other tackle scares me. Sign Strief- better than average RT, offensive captain, very intelligent = STABILITY

The two highest paid right tackles are Cherilus at $5.5 mill and Stewart (Tenn) at $5 mill. Double Strief to $4.5 mill and be done with it

whybag · 12-30-2013, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Armstead did fine on Run Blocking. However C-LT didnt do well pass blocking again
Defending Drew
Armstead - 1 SK 2 HU
DLP - 1 SK
Grubbs - 1 SK 1 Hit
Strief - 1 HU
Watson - 1 HU

I'm still trying to figure this one out, how did 3 people get credited with giving up a sack when there was only one sack? Didn't he cut between Grubbs and Armstead?

dizzle88 · 12-31-2013, 06:28 AM

Strief is plenty good enough at RT so we dont need michael oher, strief graded way higher than him anyway

We will probably look at center, DLP gets man handled quit abit

dizzle88 · 12-31-2013, 06:30 AM

Originally Posted by whybag

I'm still trying to figure this one out, how did 3 people get credited with giving up a sack when there was only one sack? Didn't he cut between Grubbs and Armstead?

I think it was because when brees was sacked there were 3 d lineman all over him, so its like 3 players collectively gave up that one sack if that makes sense

TheOak · 12-31-2013, 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by whybag

I'm still trying to figure this one out, how did 3 people get credited with giving up a sack when there was only one sack? Didn't he cut between Grubbs and Armstead?

On a bull rush or a spin move, one OL is responsible for a sack.

When a pocket collapses, more than one OL is responsible for the sack.

Just because the NFL records 1 sack on a QB, and credits 1 sack to a defensive player, it doesn't remove the fault from multiple linemen.

The adverse can be also true. Drew can be credited for 1 sack and no OL are responsible because he either held it too long, or it was a coverage sack no receivers were open and he couldn't get out of the pocket.

Subtleties that the casual football fan do not always pick up on or understand.

Danno · 12-31-2013, 12:05 PM

PFF O-line grades

Strief 2.3
Armstead 1.8
DLP 1.6
Evans -.3
Grubbs -.8

Once again, Strief grades out as our best O-lineman.

TheOak · 12-31-2013, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

PFF O-line grades

Strief 2.3
Armstead 1.8
DLP 1.6
Evans -.3
Grubbs -.8

Once again, Strief grades out as our best O-lineman.

Do they differentiate between pass and run blocking?

exile · 12-31-2013, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

PFF O-line grades

Strief 2.3
Armstead 1.8
DLP 1.6
Evans -.3
Grubbs -.8

Once again, Strief grades out as our best O-lineman.

In Armstead's defense, LT should get an extra point at startup.

TheOak · 12-31-2013, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

PFF O-line grades

Strief 2.3
Armstead 1.8
DLP 1.6
Evans -.3
Grubbs -.8

Once again, Strief grades out as our best O-lineman.

This is how they all break down for the season.

Strief Overall 26.5 Pass 21.7 Run -0.1 Screen -0.5
Grubbs Overall 14.9 Pass 6.6 Run 1.7 Screen 2.5
Evans Overall 9.5 Pass 10 Run-6.5 Screen 1.5
DLP Overall 4.0 Pass 2.7 Run -3.7 Screen 1.5
Armstead Overall -1.9 Pass 2.1 Run 1.2 Screen 0
Lelito Overall -8.0 Pass 5.3 Run 2.8 Screen -0.5
Brown Overall -9.2 Pass -13.6 Run 1.8 Screen 0.0
Harris Overall -3.8 Pass 0.4 Run -4.8 Screen 0
Grubbs is the only one that grades positive for all. Other than that... Armstead, Lelito, Brown are our best run blockers... Too bad we can only have 1 on the field at a time on the same side of the ball LOL>

* the Dallas game heavily effected certain players run blocking scores.

UK_WhoDat · 12-31-2013, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by CoreyO

I heard something somewhere that roaf was giving him pointers and advice

I think Roaf was telling Armstead that he shoulda gone to Louisiana Tech University

12-30-2013, 10:16 PM	#41
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Armstead Grades???? Lelito has been up and down, exactly what you expect from a rookie, but I can definitely see him passing DLP on depth chart at OC. DLP has been a cheap stop-gap, but hasn't improved. Harris at the other tackle scares me. Sign Strief- better than average RT, offensive captain, very intelligent = STABILITY The two highest paid right tackles are Cherilus at $5.5 mill and Stewart (Tenn) at $5 mill. Double Strief to $4.5 mill and be done with it

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whybag 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 365	Re: Armstead Grades???? Originally Posted by TheOak Armstead did fine on Run Blocking. However C-LT didnt do well pass blocking again Defending Drew Armstead - 1 SK 2 HU DLP - 1 SK Grubbs - 1 SK 1 Hit Strief - 1 HU Watson - 1 HU I'm still trying to figure this one out, how did 3 people get credited with giving up a sack when there was only one sack? Didn't he cut between Grubbs and Armstead?
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dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,139	Re: Armstead Grades???? Strief is plenty good enough at RT so we dont need michael oher, strief graded way higher than him anyway We will probably look at center, DLP gets man handled quit abit

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dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,139	Re: Armstead Grades???? Originally Posted by whybag I'm still trying to figure this one out, how did 3 people get credited with giving up a sack when there was only one sack? Didn't he cut between Grubbs and Armstead? I think it was because when brees was sacked there were 3 d lineman all over him, so its like 3 players collectively gave up that one sack if that makes sense

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,020	Re: Armstead Grades???? Originally Posted by whybag I'm still trying to figure this one out, how did 3 people get credited with giving up a sack when there was only one sack? Didn't he cut between Grubbs and Armstead? On a bull rush or a spin move, one OL is responsible for a sack. When a pocket collapses, more than one OL is responsible for the sack. Just because the NFL records 1 sack on a QB, and credits 1 sack to a defensive player, it doesn't remove the fault from multiple linemen. The adverse can be also true. Drew can be credited for 1 sack and no OL are responsible because he either held it too long, or it was a coverage sack no receivers were open and he couldn't get out of the pocket. Subtleties that the casual football fan do not always pick up on or understand.
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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,020	Re: Armstead Grades???? Originally Posted by Danno PFF O-line grades Strief 2.3 Armstead 1.8 DLP 1.6 Evans -.3 Grubbs -.8 Once again, Strief grades out as our best O-lineman. Do they differentiate between pass and run blocking?

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exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Re: Armstead Grades???? Originally Posted by Danno PFF O-line grades Strief 2.3 Armstead 1.8 DLP 1.6 Evans -.3 Grubbs -.8 Once again, Strief grades out as our best O-lineman. In Armstead's defense, LT should get an extra point at startup.
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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,020	Re: Armstead Grades???? Originally Posted by Danno PFF O-line grades Strief 2.3 Armstead 1.8 DLP 1.6 Evans -.3 Grubbs -.8 Once again, Strief grades out as our best O-lineman. This is how they all break down for the season. Strief Overall 26.5 Pass 21.7 Run -0.1 Screen -0.5 Grubbs Overall 14.9 Pass 6.6 Run 1.7 Screen 2.5 Evans Overall 9.5 Pass 10 Run-6.5 Screen 1.5 DLP Overall 4.0 Pass 2.7 Run -3.7 Screen 1.5 Armstead Overall -1.9 Pass 2.1 Run 1.2 Screen 0 Lelito Overall -8.0 Pass 5.3 Run 2.8 Screen -0.5 Brown Overall -9.2 Pass -13.6 Run 1.8 Screen 0.0 Harris Overall -3.8 Pass 0.4 Run -4.8 Screen 0 Grubbs is the only one that grades positive for all. Other than that... Armstead, Lelito, Brown are our best run blockers... Too bad we can only have 1 on the field at a time on the same side of the ball LOL> * the Dallas game heavily effected certain players run blocking scores.
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UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 3,881	Re: Armstead Grades???? Originally Posted by CoreyO I heard something somewhere that roaf was giving him pointers and advice I think Roaf was telling Armstead that he shoulda gone to Louisiana Tech University

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