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Jack Vegas 12-30-2013 12:50 AM

Final season stats for defense
 
If you're interested in such things, to illustrate the defense's remarkable turnaround

Team
4th, total defense - 305.7 ypg (only .2 ypg away from 3rd actually)
4th, points allowed - 19 ppg
2nd, pass defense - 194.1 ypg
14th, QB rating allowed - 83.6
19th, rush defense 111.6 ypg
4th, sacks - 49.0 (wow)
5th, touchdowns allowed (33)
8th, third down pct (35%)

Individuals
Jordan 5th in NFL with 12.5 sacks
Galette 5th in NFL with 12.0 sacks
Lofton 16th in NFL with 125 tackles
Hawthorne 91 tackles, 3.0 sacks
Hicks 56 tackles, 4.5 sacks
Haralson 30 tackles, 3.5 sacks
Vaccaro 79 tackles, 1 sack, 1 INT
Lewis 47 tackles, 4 INT
M Jenkins 68 tackles, 2.5 sacks, 2 INT

A big hand for this defense, they really got it done this year.

lee909 12-30-2013 01:07 AM

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A great step up and amazing considering its a ndw scheme and the loss of Butler and Coleman in preseason.

44Champs 12-30-2013 05:03 AM

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Great job all around.

Missing stat: # of players that have hurdled over Malcolm Jenkins due to poor tackling technique

SaintLeonard 12-30-2013 05:09 AM

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How different is the defense going to look next year in terms of scheme? We are moving more towards a true 3-4, right?

saintsfan1976 12-30-2013 05:44 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 566000)
A great step up and amazing considering its a ndw scheme and the loss of Butler and Coleman in preseason.


Not necessarily a new scheme. Just a style they're suited to play.

saintsfan1976 12-30-2013 05:46 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SaintLeonard (Post 566017)
How different is the defense going to look next year in terms of scheme? We are moving more towards a true 3-4, right?


Looking to OLB of the future. Another (more versatile) Safety

Shore up the o line and all of a sudden out receivers are open again.

LBCutta 12-30-2013 06:16 AM

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Good rebound year on D. I'd like to see some fine tuning. Get rid of Harper and Jenkins. Their time is up. A healthy Victor Butler should help. The LB corps will shape up to be strong next year IMO. I'd like a free agent corner to replace Greer (he's gone)

TheOak 12-30-2013 06:56 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SaintLeonard (Post 566017)
How different is the defense going to look next year in terms of scheme? We are moving more towards a true 3-4, right?

The scheme revert has already been done.

It will look different...

Harolson was a 1 year signing.
Smith hopefully will be gone.
Butler will be back
Vilma will hopefully be gone.
As far as for the DBs i expect a renovation.

jeanpierre 12-30-2013 07:22 AM

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Definitely need another Safety as all but Vaccaro will have expiring contracts or a bad contract...

One of the first three draft picks should be used on a linebacker (inside or outside, maybe both); like to bring Humber back, though he's smallish for the 34, he looked more impressive with the limited snaps than Lofton did...

Like all our returning defensive linemen, may need another in the mix to challenge and continue the youth movement...

Cornerback will depend on returning health and if Robinson returns; Lewis, White were definitely strong additions...

saintsfan1976 12-30-2013 07:38 AM

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Butler replaces Haralson

Two young ILBs in Rufus and Reddick, 2-3 years away from starting

Need another S and CB (likely via free agency)

Draft OL & DL

WR to replace Meachem - Jordan Matthews or Odell Beckham Jr.

saintsfan1976 12-30-2013 07:41 AM

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I forget about Glenn Johnson. He should be a great rotational player next year along with Walker and Tom Johnson.

I could see us picking up a NT to replace Bunkley.

jeanpierre 12-30-2013 08:04 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 566041)
WR to replace Meachem - Jordan Matthews or Odell Beckham Jr.

Have no problem having Meachem as a 4 or 5 WR - just wish we hadn't spent a ******* First Round Draft Pick on 'em; plus, he'll have familiarity and a friendly cap number...

Now, I think you have to consider that Stills' development has exposed Lance Moore's cap number...

CoreyO 12-30-2013 08:08 AM

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I love that #2 pass defense.

K Major 12-30-2013 08:37 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 566041)
Butler replaces Haralson

Two young ILBs in Rufus and Reddick, 2-3 years away from starting

Need another S and CB (likely via free agency)

Draft OL & DL

WR to replace Meachem - Jordan Matthews or Odell Beckham Jr.

+1. I loved the Haralson acquisition however I thought he would have had more of an impact this season. As for Odell Jr., he is projected as a day 2 pick and with all of our other needs, I'm not sure this kid will still be around like Stills was last draft.

K Major 12-30-2013 08:40 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 44Champs (Post 566016)
Great job all around.

Rob Ryan aka The Big Lebowski has done one hell of a job with that defense. This guy will be in demand for a head coaching job within the next few weeks.

Mardigras9 12-30-2013 08:42 AM

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Awesome job, especially with the injuries. Congrats!!

halloween 65 12-30-2013 08:42 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 566050)
Have no problem having Meachem as a 4 or 5 WR - just wish we hadn't spent a ******* First Round Draft Pick on 'em; plus, he'll have familiarity and a friendly cap number...

Now, I think you have to consider that Stills' development has exposed Lance Moore's cap number...

Draft Josh Huff out of Oregan to go along with Stills we could let Moore walk. Real good slot reciever, that won't break the bank, some reads say he is a poor mans Antwoin Boldin. Could be drafted in 3rd to 6th round.

SaintLeonard 12-30-2013 08:59 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 566062)
Rob Ryan aka The Big Lebowski has done one hell of a job with that defense. This guy will be in demand for a head coaching job within the next few weeks.

Hopefully not.. I want him here for a long time

xan 12-30-2013 09:12 AM

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Can you split those stats out home vs. away?

Danno 12-30-2013 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by xan (Post 566075)
Can you split those stats out home vs. away?

Home points given up = 15 PPG
Away points given up = 22 PPG (which would rank 14th best in the NFL over 16 games)

Now Offense looks a lot different...

Home points scored = 34 PPG
Away points scored = 17 PPG (wow)

SaintLeonard 12-30-2013 09:39 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by xan (Post 566075)
Can you split those stats out home vs. away?


Home:
Total defense = 270.2 YpG
Pass defense = 176.5 YpG
Rush defense = 93.7 YpG
Points allowed = 15.6 PpG

Away:
Total defense = 341.1 YpG
Pass defense = 244.6 YpG
Rush defense = 129.5 YpG
Points allowed = 22.3 PpG

xan 12-30-2013 09:39 AM

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Yeah, Danno, and we wonder why we're the road underdog. Philly won their last 4 at home averaging 34 points while giving up 17.

WhoDatFan26 12-30-2013 09:40 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LBCutta (Post 566032)
Good rebound year on D. I'd like to see some fine tuning. Get rid of Harper and Jenkins. Their time is up. A healthy Victor Butler should help. The LB corps will shape up to be strong next year IMO. I'd like a free agent corner to replace Greer (he's gone)

Why replace Jenkins? He and Vaccaro compliment each other, unlike Harper with either player. Plus RR's scheme depends on defensive flexibility and both Vaccaro and Jenkins are versatile enough to slide inside and cover the slot. The only thing I would do is find a true 3-4 DE to allow Junior to focus on pass rushing and another CB. The pressure defense means you need CB's who can play on an island.

exile 12-30-2013 09:49 AM

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Saints bring 4th ranked defense into Philadelphia. Boom!


dueceloose 12-30-2013 10:02 AM

Re: Final season stats for defense
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 566041)
Butler replaces Haralson

Two young ILBs in Rufus and Reddick, 2-3 years away from starting

Need another S and CB (likely via free agency)

Draft OL & DL

WR to replace Meachem - Jordan Matthews or Odell Beckham Jr.

No need to draft a Wr IMO We still got Morgan sitting resting those acl's. And plus Stills is better at the speed Wr than Meachem anyway. We solidify the line and our corners I'd be scared. Imagine if we could've played the season with Butler and the only person I see us replacing soon is Colston if Toon doesn't work out.

alleycat_126 12-30-2013 10:04 AM

Re: Final season stats for defense
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 44Champs (Post 566016)
Great job all around.

Missing stat: # of players that have hurdled over Malcolm Jenkins due to poor tackling technique

Horrible tackling on their one highlight of the night.... Btw what a difference the loss of vaccaro makes.... Underwood went right through the secondary....

papz 12-30-2013 10:07 AM

Re: Final season stats for defense
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas (Post 565999)
If you're interested in such things, to illustrate the defense's remarkable turnaround

Team
4th, total defense - 305.7 ypg (only .2 ypg away from 3rd actually)
4th, points allowed - 19 ppg
2nd, pass defense - 194.1 ypg
14th, QB rating allowed - 83.6
19th, rush defense 111.6 ypg
4th, sacks - 49.0 (wow)
5th, touchdowns allowed (33)
8th, third down pct (35%)

Individuals
Jordan 5th in NFL with 12.5 sacks
Galette 5th in NFL with 12.0 sacks
Lofton 16th in NFL with 125 tackles
Hawthorne 91 tackles, 3.0 sacks
Hicks 56 tackles, 4.5 sacks
Haralson 30 tackles, 3.5 sacks
Vaccaro 79 tackles, 1 sack, 1 INT
Lewis 47 tackles, 4 INT
M Jenkins 68 tackles, 2.5 sacks, 2 INT

A big hand for this defense, they really got it done this year.

The threads I could bump would make this thread glorious.

dueceloose 12-30-2013 10:10 AM

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If drew restructures and jimmy doesn't try and over do it maybe we can keep Moore I'm sure he'd restructure anyway. Nothing like being in a familiar team that is good.

TheOak 12-30-2013 10:24 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dueceloose (Post 566113)
If drew restructures and jimmy doesn't try and over do it maybe we can keep Moore I'm sure he'd restructure anyway. Nothing like being in a familiar team that is good.

Someone is gone after this season...

WR
Colston
Meachem
Moore
Stills
Toon
Morgan


Ive a feeling Moore will be traded and replaced by Stills, Toon will be gone, and Meachem will be gone.

There is also a good possibility that Morgan will be gone also as he will be a free agent. Morgan has been with us 3 years has not had a completely healthy season yet.. In a nut shell we paid 1.3M for 10 catches.

The reds go and we pick up new Receivers.

Danno 12-30-2013 10:29 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 566129)
Someone is gone after this season...

WR
Colston
Meachem
Moore
Stills
Toon
Morgan


Ive a feeling Moore will be traded and replaced by Stills, Toon will be gone, and Meachem will be gone.

There is also a good possibility that Morgan will be gone also as he will be a free agent. Morgan has been with us 3 years has not had a completely healthy season yet.. In a nut shell we paid 1.3M for 10 catches.

The reds go and we pick up new Receivers.

Thats quite a turnaround. I think Meachem stays at vet minimum until someone takes his spot. Replacing 4 of your 6 receivers in one season is tough.

Schmohams 12-30-2013 10:37 AM

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I want Morgan back, he was looking to have a big season. We let Henderson go and we figured Morgan would be ready. But I have faith, that moment he flipped that guy off his back vs TB last year I was sold, loads of potential.

TheOak 12-30-2013 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Schmohams (Post 566145)
I want Morgan back, he was looking to have a big season. We let Henderson go and we figured Morgan would be ready. But I have faith, that moment he flipped that guy off his back vs TB last year I was sold, loads of potential.

Yes but like Ivory he cant stay healthy. You cant make the team from the whirlpool.

Jack Vegas 12-30-2013 11:08 AM

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Some thoughts on the defense next year since people started that:

Secondary: I don't mind Jenkins staying on a cheap deal, but IMO Vaccaro and Bush should be the two starting safeties. Both are multi-dimensional versatile players who can cover, hit hard and tackle well. Jenkins would be a good 3rd guy to have around because he can play all DB positions. Harper is gone. I do think Greer is probably done/gone sadly, but Lewis/White/Robinson is a real good starting point at CB if that is indeed the case.

Linebackers: Haralson will be cheap so re-sign him, with Galette and Butler that should make for a good rotation of outside LBs. I really like the Lofton/Hawthorne combo a lot, good players who work well together. Herring/Vilma/Smith all gone. People want to get rid of Lofton, I don't understand that at all. He has some limitations, sure, but he is still a very good player and the brains of the defense.

D-line: All of these young guys are locked in. The only guy I can see possibly being gone is Bunkley because it would save about 1.3 million and Hicks could move over to nose tackle with very little drop-off IMO. Bigger roles for Walker/Foster too. At some point Jordan/Hicks are going to get big raises, if we can keep those two guys happy and together this will be a solid d-line for years and years to come.

ScottF 12-30-2013 11:40 AM

Re: Final season stats for defense
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 566041)
Butler replaces Haralson

Two young ILBs in Rufus and Reddick, 2-3 years away from starting

Need another S and CB (likely via free agency)

Draft OL & DL

WR to replace Meachem - Jordan Matthews or Odell Beckham Jr.

Remember- Meachem is cheap- $1 mill. Moore came on yesterday, but we cannot afford him at $5 mill

Schmohams 12-30-2013 11:41 AM

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When Bunkley got hurt John Jenkins was a bossing it up with tackles for loss and big run stuffs. But now that Bunkley is back I don't even see him, trade Bunkley, save cap space and get younger.

Schmohams 12-30-2013 11:42 AM

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Who was it that predicted the Saints to have a top 5 defense at the begging of the season?

SaintLeonard 12-30-2013 11:42 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmohams (Post 566176)
When Bunkley got hurt John Jenkins was a bossing it up with tackles for loss and big run stuffs. But now that Bunkley is back I don't even see him, trade Bunkley, save cap space and get younger.

Bunkley has been good in run support this year. He may not be getting TFLs, but he is not letting the RB get very many positive yards.

Danno 12-30-2013 11:44 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmohams (Post 566178)
Who was it that predicted the Saints to have a top 5 defense at the begging of the season?

Several predicted we'd have a good one (including me) and some said maybe even mid teens (including me).

But many many more ridiculed anyone who claimed we'd even get in the teens or low 20's.

You know who you are.

papz 12-30-2013 11:45 AM

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ILB - time to homegrown some studs

Once we solidify the middle half of our second level, the sky is the limit.

WR - Offense has gotten a bit stagnant. In a extremely deep receiver class coming out, a mid round investment in a WR could pay off in spades.

OL- Well, duh.

Not overly concerned about making any big changes to our secondary. As long as the pressure is coming, they'll be as good as they need to be.

Oh, and give me Aaron Murray.

SaintLeonard 12-30-2013 11:47 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by papz (Post 566183)

Oh, and give me Aaron Murray.

Please no.

Murray = a college version of Tony Romo. Puts up good #s but chokes in late game situations.


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