Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 566482)

What would you call more ridiculous?

1. You wanting the notion of trading a player that is not trade-able to stop?
2. You wanting the notion of releasing a player that is not releasable to stop?
3. Wanting to keep the 61sh ranked tackler but the 14th highest Cap hit Safety?

Of NFL Safeties
His tackling efficiency ranks 138th in the NFL.
Allowed TDs in his coverage 20th in the NFL.
Yards after the catch allowed 8th in the NFL.
Receptions allowed in his coverage 7th in the NFL.
Coverage targeted in the NFL 10th. <---QBs prey on him.
Missed Tackles 10th most in passing, 18th most in rushing.

He is 5th in pass Rush for S.
4th in sacks for S.

Before you go calling the majority of the board ridiculous you know what you are talking about.

He is only valuable in a 3 S set. Otherwise he is a liability in coverage and open field tackling. He is a mediocre Safety at best but getting paid very well.

Jenkins cant hold Vaccaro's jock and actually trails Harper on some stats.

I would have benched him on that BS puzzy-azz tackle attempt in the Tampa Bay game Sunday when he got hurdled and didn't know until he hit the ground.

Originally Posted by WhoDatFan26 (Post 566643)

I've said it once and I'll say it again: Malcolm Jenkins isn't going anywhere.

Originally Posted by lumm0x (Post 566663)

I would not be disappointed to see neither player back. But with Vaccaro suffering the injury both very well may be.

Originally Posted by Schmohams (Post 566693)

Vaccaro broke his ankle, he will be ready to play most likely before training camp.

Originally Posted by lumm0x (Post 566663)

There are stats you can massage to make any argument. What never fails is the eye ball test. Harper can't cover anything. He is stout vs. the run and a decent blitzer, but he has poor make up speed and gets caught up in traffic when trying to hang with people. Jenkins has very poor instincts in reading plays and when the ball is in the air. He bites on nearly every pump fake, takes poor angles, and while he doesn't usually allow receivers to separate from him he seldom succeeds in challenging on the ball. Tackling is another suspect area. Too many times he throws his body and makes no effort to wrap.

I would not be disappointed to see neither player back. But with Vaccaro suffering the injury both very well may be.

My bottom line point - our new found pass rush is making our entire secondary aside from Keenan Lewis better than it is.

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 566624)

Vaccaro started at NB week 1 and week 2, and Harper/Jenkins were the starting safeties for both games.

http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...O_Gamebook.pdf
http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...B_Gamebook.pdf

Harper got hurt and Vaccaro took over at SS in week 3, Jenkins remained the starter at FS.

Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 566622)

This statement makes no sense at all...

Vaccaro was the starting SS even when Harper was healthy. Bush took over for Jenkins in the 3 S sets and Jenkins usually was dropping in the box.

All that aside if you want to credit them for this year success (even though we drafted a 1st rounder to take their place) then you have to credit them for last years failure.