Mark ingram and running game

Halo · 01-05-2014, 08:58 PM

Ingram did look very Deuce last night. I have to say it was his best performance as a Saint. Every time he ran the ball and gashed holes I screamed my lungs out. It's exciting to see him come into his own.

leilung · 01-06-2014, 12:50 AM

Originally Posted by Halo

Ingram did look very Deuce last night. I have to say it was his best performance as a Saint. Every time he ran the ball and gashed holes I screamed my lungs out. It's exciting to see him come into his own.

Just when I was longing for the smash mouth rushing days of Deuce in the back field. MAN did I get a warm fuzzy chuckle listening to Eagles fans cringe at Ingram gashing their D. I have renewed faith this team can be more than just a 'pass first' type team! Love it!

WHODATINCA · 01-05-2014, 09:29 PM

Naturally, props to Ingram -- but he has a lot of make up work to do. One or two games is not going to do it for me. OK, if he wins the game in Seattle for us -- goes for 200 yards -- I'll roll out the red carpet for him.

lsusaint912 · 01-05-2014, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by WHODATINCA

Naturally, props to Ingram -- but he has a lot of make up work to do. One or two games is not going to do it for me. OK, if he wins the game in Seattle for us -- goes for 200 yards -- I'll roll out the red carpet for him.

We also have to give him the ball more.. Adrian petterson said if i dont get 15 touches i never get into a rhythm

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TheOak · 01-06-2014, 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by lsusaint912

We also have to give him the ball more.. Adrian petterson said if i dont get 15 touches i never get into a rhythm

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Ive debunked that "rhythm" myth many times. Its like saying "give me the ball more and I will put up more yards".. No Schit, ya think?

If the Texans played the Jaguars more they would eventually beat them.

If rhythm was a requirement First Qtr. rushing stats would be horrible.

hitta · 01-06-2014, 07:04 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Ive debunked that "rhythm" myth many times. Its like saying "give me the ball more and I will put up more yards".. No Schit, ya think?

If the Texans played the Jaguars more they would eventually beat them.

If rhythm was a requirement First Qtr. rushing stats would be horrible.

I don't think the having 15 rushes thing is the problem. It's more about having plays clustered together. When you go in there, run the ball... and don't get to rush again until a series or 2 down the road... you are going to run into a "rhythm" problem.

Think that we over-substitute at times, got too many moving pieces. The idea is to keep people fresh and get mismatches... but it has some unintended consequences.

TheOak · 01-06-2014, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by hitta

I don't think the having 15 rushes thing is the problem. It's more about having plays clustered together. When you go in there, run the ball... and don't get to rush again until a series or 2 down the road... you are going to run into a "rhythm" problem.

Think that we over-substitute at times, got too many moving pieces. The idea is to keep people fresh and get mismatches... but it has some unintended consequences.

Again.. the "rhythm" problem is a myth.

Lynch ave 18 caries/game. Against Tampa he had 24.

Go through the play by play, other than the opening drive he had about 2-3 carries per possession. Any mythical rhythm gained by 3 carries is gone after the defense takes the field..

Watch Tampa Bay Buccaneers vs. Seattle Seahawks [11/03/2013] - NFL.com

The "I need a minimum of x carried per game" is what people that want the ball more say, and lets face it. All RBs and Receivers want the ball more.

You know why I hope we never have this "show case" running back? Jamal Charles went out of the game and their game plan was never the same. Davis was able to run but he was no J. Charles and that hurt them in the 4th qtr.

I would rather have two 7 (out of 10) running backs than a 10 and a 4 and have the 10 go down.

Sean Payton learned that lesson years ago.

hitta · 01-06-2014, 02:14 AM

My take is that right now, with Ingram running the rock consistently... we are a much better team than we were in prior weeks, especially on the road. Pierre Thomas not playing may have been a blessing in disguise.

The problem with saying this though is that Pierre Thomas is an amazing football player, and there's no point in getting rid of amazing football players... especially when they contribute something vital to your team. Sean Payton needs take a big long look at the offense, figure out how to properly utilize both Ingram and Thomas in a way in which Ingram can get consistent carries and still allow Thomas to be effective in the screen game.

One thing that would make this much easier to accomplish is if Ingram became a larger threat in the passing game, as I think the way that we switch Ingram and Thomas in and out makes our offense somewhat predictable in what we are doing. Also I think the backs need bigger chunks of play time instead of switching in and out repeatedly. Several different changes that probably need to occur but all in all a different formula is needed.

dueceloose · 01-05-2014, 09:34 PM

Did someone say duece? lol PT will be around for a while hes the most consistent rb I do see Khiry filling his role in the future. MI does what he did vs the eagles this Saturday I see him getting more carries nxt year.

halloween 65 · 01-05-2014, 10:43 PM

In honesty I think we have 1 too many rb.'s. If I would trade 1 it would be Sproles, I like Sproles but like Bush he is getting less effective in schemes. He is still a good player but I would trade him. We could use the picks and get players we are thin at a certain position. Between PT, Ingram, and Robinson our backfield would still be stout. I just feel that being overcrowded has hurt us more than it has helped. Another deep threat stud reciever to go along with Stills could ease a lot of pain.

01-05-2014, 08:58 PM	#1
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,904 Blog Entries: 45	Re: Mark ingram and running game Ingram did look very Deuce last night. I have to say it was his best performance as a Saint. Every time he ran the ball and gashed holes I screamed my lungs out. It's exciting to see him come into his own. Boutte, leilung, boonedocksaint and 1 others like this.

01-06-2014, 12:50 AM	#2
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,430	Re: Mark ingram and running game Originally Posted by Halo Ingram did look very Deuce last night. I have to say it was his best performance as a Saint. Every time he ran the ball and gashed holes I screamed my lungs out. It's exciting to see him come into his own. Just when I was longing for the smash mouth rushing days of Deuce in the back field. MAN did I get a warm fuzzy chuckle listening to Eagles fans cringe at Ingram gashing their D. I have renewed faith this team can be more than just a 'pass first' type team! Love it! limitless likes this.

01-05-2014, 09:29 PM	#3
WHODATINCA Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: South Bay Posts: 3,784	Re: Mark ingram and running game Naturally, props to Ingram -- but he has a lot of make up work to do. One or two games is not going to do it for me. OK, if he wins the game in Seattle for us -- goes for 200 yards -- I'll roll out the red carpet for him. lsusaint912 likes this.

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lsusaint912 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 406	Re: Mark ingram and running game Originally Posted by WHODATINCA Naturally, props to Ingram -- but he has a lot of make up work to do. One or two games is not going to do it for me. OK, if he wins the game in Seattle for us -- goes for 200 yards -- I'll roll out the red carpet for him. We also have to give him the ball more.. Adrian petterson said if i dont get 15 touches i never get into a rhythm Sent from my SGH-S959G using Tapatalk 2 SmashMouth likes this.
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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Re: Mark ingram and running game Originally Posted by lsusaint912 We also have to give him the ball more.. Adrian petterson said if i dont get 15 touches i never get into a rhythm Sent from my SGH-S959G using Tapatalk 2 Ive debunked that "rhythm" myth many times. Its like saying "give me the ball more and I will put up more yards".. No Schit, ya think? If the Texans played the Jaguars more they would eventually beat them. If rhythm was a requirement First Qtr. rushing stats would be horrible.

01-06-2014, 07:04 AM	#6
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,342	Re: Mark ingram and running game Originally Posted by TheOak Ive debunked that "rhythm" myth many times. Its like saying "give me the ball more and I will put up more yards".. No Schit, ya think? If the Texans played the Jaguars more they would eventually beat them. If rhythm was a requirement First Qtr. rushing stats would be horrible. I don't think the having 15 rushes thing is the problem. It's more about having plays clustered together. When you go in there, run the ball... and don't get to rush again until a series or 2 down the road... you are going to run into a "rhythm" problem. Think that we over-substitute at times, got too many moving pieces. The idea is to keep people fresh and get mismatches... but it has some unintended consequences.
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01-06-2014, 08:21 AM	#7
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Re: Mark ingram and running game Originally Posted by hitta I don't think the having 15 rushes thing is the problem. It's more about having plays clustered together. When you go in there, run the ball... and don't get to rush again until a series or 2 down the road... you are going to run into a "rhythm" problem. Think that we over-substitute at times, got too many moving pieces. The idea is to keep people fresh and get mismatches... but it has some unintended consequences. Again.. the "rhythm" problem is a myth. Lynch ave 18 caries/game. Against Tampa he had 24. Go through the play by play, other than the opening drive he had about 2-3 carries per possession. Any mythical rhythm gained by 3 carries is gone after the defense takes the field.. Watch Tampa Bay Buccaneers vs. Seattle Seahawks [11/03/2013] - NFL.com The "I need a minimum of x carried per game" is what people that want the ball more say, and lets face it. All RBs and Receivers want the ball more. You know why I hope we never have this "show case" running back? Jamal Charles went out of the game and their game plan was never the same. Davis was able to run but he was no J. Charles and that hurt them in the 4th qtr. I would rather have two 7 (out of 10) running backs than a 10 and a 4 and have the 10 go down. Sean Payton learned that lesson years ago.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

01-06-2014, 02:14 AM	#8
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,342	Re: Mark ingram and running game My take is that right now, with Ingram running the rock consistently... we are a much better team than we were in prior weeks, especially on the road. Pierre Thomas not playing may have been a blessing in disguise. The problem with saying this though is that Pierre Thomas is an amazing football player, and there's no point in getting rid of amazing football players... especially when they contribute something vital to your team. Sean Payton needs take a big long look at the offense, figure out how to properly utilize both Ingram and Thomas in a way in which Ingram can get consistent carries and still allow Thomas to be effective in the screen game. One thing that would make this much easier to accomplish is if Ingram became a larger threat in the passing game, as I think the way that we switch Ingram and Thomas in and out makes our offense somewhat predictable in what we are doing. Also I think the backs need bigger chunks of play time instead of switching in and out repeatedly. Several different changes that probably need to occur but all in all a different formula is needed.
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dueceloose 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 957	Re: Mark ingram and running game Did someone say duece? lol PT will be around for a while hes the most consistent rb I do see Khiry filling his role in the future. MI does what he did vs the eagles this Saturday I see him getting more carries nxt year.
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01-05-2014, 10:43 PM	#10
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Mark ingram and running game In honesty I think we have 1 too many rb.'s. If I would trade 1 it would be Sproles, I like Sproles but like Bush he is getting less effective in schemes. He is still a good player but I would trade him. We could use the picks and get players we are thin at a certain position. Between PT, Ingram, and Robinson our backfield would still be stout. I just feel that being overcrowded has hurt us more than it has helped. Another deep threat stud reciever to go along with Stills could ease a lot of pain.

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